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craigo6x Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2604 Location: 1st Place
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: All I can say is wow |
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Talk about not understanding the value of starting hands:
Full Tilt Poker Game #4669813737: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (34820517), Table 2 - 40/80 - Limit Omaha H/L - 21:03:50 ET - 2007/12/29
Seat 1: O NO UDNT (1,845)
Seat 2: craigo6x (1,280)
Seat 3: astika (3,095)
Seat 4: Hazardous88 (1,125)
Seat 5: FatMark (2,002)
Seat 6: Dodger Fan Ken (1,485)
Seat 7: fivedollar (1,060)
Seat 8: DP4UM (108)
Dodger Fan Ken posts the small blind of 20
fivedollar posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to craigo6x [8c 3c Ac 8s]
DP4UM calls 40
O NO UDNT calls 40
craigo6x calls 40
astika folds
Hazardous88 folds
FatMark calls 40
Dodger Fan Ken calls 20
fivedollar checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Kc Kh]
Dodger Fan Ken checks
fivedollar bets 40
DP4UM calls 40
O NO UDNT raises to 80
craigo6x folds
FatMark folds
Dodger Fan Ken folds
fivedollar raises to 120
DP4UM calls 28, and is all in
O NO UDNT raises to 160
fivedollar calls 40
*** TURN *** [5h Kc Kh] [Jc]
fivedollar checks
O NO UDNT bets 80
fivedollar calls 80
*** RIVER *** [5h Kc Kh Jc] [7h]
fivedollar bets 80
O NO UDNT raises to 160
fivedollar calls 80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
O NO UDNT shows [6s 5s 5d 5c] a full house, Fives full of Kings, for high
fivedollar mucks
O NO UDNT wins the side pot (664) with a full house, Fives full of Kings
DP4UM mucks
O NO UDNT wins the main pot (444) with a full house, Fives full of Kings
DP4UM is sitting out
DP4UM stands up
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,108 Main pot 444. Side pot 664. | Rake 0
Board: [5h Kc Kh Jc 7h]
Seat 1: O NO UDNT showed [6s 5s 5d 5c] and won (1,108) with HI: a full house, Fives full of Kings
Seat 2: craigo6x folded on the Flop
Seat 3: astika didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Hazardous88 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: FatMark (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Dodger Fan Ken (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: fivedollar (big blind) mucked [Ah 6h 3h Qd] - HI: a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: DP4UM mucked [Js 2c Ad Qs] - HI: two pair, Kings and Jacks |
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audsb Royal Flush
Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 763 Location: Oakland
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: |
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HuJwang Forum Blight
Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 5861 Location: Halifax, NS
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| I'll say, look at that donk playing A883 in early position |
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sixandfour Royal Flush
Joined: 31 Mar 2007 Posts: 542 Location: Far from home
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Welcome to $5 limit OL8. With 6 people seeing a flop, chances are a couple of people limped in with worse than that. Not to mention that 2 other players got to showdown and couldn't beat 5s over with 2 Ks on the flop. |
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dumwaldo Message Board Junkie
Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 1654 Location: look to the stars
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| I'll say, look at that donk playing A883 in early position |
Yeah, really. WOW at both of you guys stepping on your own outs and playing hands that are notorious for coming up second best. Then throw in a third WOW for craig posting something that so so clearly evidences the pot calling the kettle black.
Must be wonderful to see everybody else's faults and be blinded to your own.
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craigo6x Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2604 Location: 1st Place
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah. really bad play to come into a pot in O8 limit poker for one bet with noone raising preflop with the 2nd best low hand, a suited ace and a pair. Thx for the lesson. |
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dumwaldo Message Board Junkie
Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 1654 Location: look to the stars
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
| Yeah. really bad play to come into a pot in O8 limit poker for one bet with noone raising preflop with the 2nd best low hand, a suited ace minus one out and a middle range pair that might flop a set and let me pay a better set. Thx for the lesson. |
FYP
Come on dude this is Omaha not donkey ass Hold Em! You can't play this game like a donkey chasing any possibility of a draw. EVERY starting hand in Omaha has possibilities or potential or whatever you want to call it.
I don't have a problem with you playing what is JUST BARELY a passable starting hand but i think it takes some audacity to point at someone else that played a hand that most decent Omaha players would consider to be in the same range as your own hand.
I mean if you can play a hand because it has a pair and a flush draw why is it bad for him to play a hand with a pair and a flush draw? So what if he is stealing his own outs since that doesn't matter to you if you are stealing your own outs.
so like I said before, pot, let me introduce you to kettle.
peace,
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craigo6x Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2604 Location: 1st Place
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| so you are comparing a hand that plays both ways, containing low draws, wheel draws, nut club draws and set flopping potential to 5556. Again, thx for the lesson. |
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critterbugg Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 397 Location: Truro, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| there was some awful play in that tourny craig.imo omaha is the crack/cocaine of poker.the same monkey that busted you with rags ended up busting me 5 before the money when he rivered a 2 outer with a hand that should be folded preflop. |
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2DeadCards High Card
Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| dumwaldo wrote: |
| I don't have a problem with you playing what is JUST BARELY a passable starting hand but i think it takes some audacity to point at someone else that played a hand that most decent Omaha players would consider to be in the same range as your own hand. |
For your edification, Mr. "decent omaha player", out of the 16,432 distinct omaha starting hands (under permutation of suit, of course), and against 8 opponents (I do not have statistics for 8 handed, just HU, 5, and 9 handed) the following results are found:
A38 suited + 8 ranks 3021 out of 16,432, and has a scaled show-down pot equity of 1.28 (an "average" break even hand = 1)
56 suited + 5 + 5 ranks a whopping 16,136 out of 16,432 and has the phenomenal show-down equity of 0.495.
In conclusion, I doubt that most "decent Omaha players" would group a hand ranking in the top 20% as being in the same category as one which is solidily in the bottom 2%.
Thanks for the misinformed ranting. |
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HuJwang Forum Blight
Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 5861 Location: Halifax, NS
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| 2DeadCards wrote: |
| dumwaldo wrote: |
| I don't have a problem with you playing what is JUST BARELY a passable starting hand but i think it takes some audacity to point at someone else that played a hand that most decent Omaha players would consider to be in the same range as your own hand. |
For your edification, Mr. "decent omaha player", out of the 16,432 distinct omaha starting hands (under permutation of suit, of course), and against 8 opponents (I do not have statistics for 8 handed, just HU, 5, and 9 handed) the following results are found:
A38 suited + 8 ranks 3021 out of 16,432, and has a scaled show-down pot equity of 1.28 (an "average" break even hand = 1)
56 suited + 5 + 5 ranks a whopping 16,136 out of 16,432 and has the phenomenal show-down equity of 0.495.
In conclusion, I doubt that most "decent Omaha players" would group a hand ranking in the top 20% as being in the same category as one which is solidily in the bottom 2%.
Thanks for the misinformed ranting. |
How exactly do these ratings work? I don't have a lot of O8 experience but I'd prefer to fold that hand. You only have 3 things: a low draw with no backup, a suited ace, and a weak pair. It's just not enough imo in what looks to be a family pot. It's not a terrible hand but I just don't think we can hit the nuts often enough with it to play in early-middle position in a multiway pot. |
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craigo6x Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2604 Location: 1st Place
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Boy you got some nerve HU-first you say this:
"I'll say, look at that donk playing A883 in early position"
Then you say this:
"I don't have a lot of O8 experience"
If you don't have a lot of experience in O8, and limit at that, don't call others donk.
You say I have 3 things, a low draw, a high draw and a pair. Well damn, seems I got just about everything covered. I get to see a flop for one bet with the second best low hand in the game. The ace happens to be suited too which is a bonus.
I'm aware I hold one of my clubs in the hand, unfortunately I can't always have a perfect hand.
I'm smart enough to not get married to a set of 8s based upon the action, and also smart enough to avoid going broke with A3 on a low board that doesn't contain a 2.
For waldo to say that my hand and Mr. 5556's hand are similar since we have low draws, suited cards and a pair is just plain silly. I trust you see the difference. |
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HuJwang Forum Blight
Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 5861 Location: Halifax, NS
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
Boy you got some nerve HU-first you say this:
"I'll say, look at that donk playing A883 in early position"
Then you say this:
"I don't have a lot of O8 experience"
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Can you honestly not tell that I was being slightly facetious in my first post? Come on man, you seem to look for any excuse to argue with people. I mean you make this stupid thread where you slam this guy for limping a bad hand in a $5 game (oh the horrors!) and then you go berserk when people remark how pointless your post is. This seems to be a constant theme in every one of your threads. It's really tiring. |
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dumwaldo Message Board Junkie
Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 1654 Location: look to the stars
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Well, unlike HuJwang, i DO have O8 experience and I wasn't being sarcastic. You played a donkey hand like a donkey and then have the nerve to point a finger declaring donk. You should have pointed in a mirror.
http://erh.homestead.com/omaha.html
You have a 13 point starting hand for a high game. That is not even half way to a reasonable starting hand for Omaha Hi.
You think A3 compensates for that? Well that just demonstrates you own lack of experience and lack of understanding of the game. You have an INCREDIBLY HIGH chance of someone playing an A2 in a multiway limped pot so your A3 is basically useless unless you happen to FLOP ONE OF ONLY FOUR DEUCES in the deck AND at least one other low card just to make a draw so you can possibly split HALF the pot.
Sorry dude, chasing after a fragile low hand is a great way to play Omaha like a donkey.
You suck and you play like crap. Learn what you are doing yourself before you try to point fingers. The other guy might not understand the value of starting hands but quite frankly neither do you.
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craigo6x Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| dumwaldo wrote: |
Well, unlike HuJwang, i DO have O8 experience and I wasn't being sarcastic. You played a donkey hand like a donkey and then have the nerve to point a finger declaring donk. You should have pointed in a mirror.
http://erh.homestead.com/omaha.html
You have a 13 point starting hand for a high game. That is not even half way to a reasonable starting hand for Omaha Hi.
You think A3 compensates for that? Well that just demonstrates you own lack of experience and lack of understanding of the game. You have an INCREDIBLY HIGH chance of someone playing an A2 in a multiway limped pot so your A3 is basically useless unless you happen to FLOP ONE OF ONLY FOUR DEUCES in the deck AND at least one other low card just to make a draw so you can possibly split HALF the pot.
Sorry dude, chasing after a fragile low hand is a great way to play Omaha like a donkey.
You suck and you play like crap. Learn what you are doing yourself before you try to point fingers. The other guy might not understand the value of starting hands but quite frankly neither do you.
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Waldo, don't tell me I suck because someone pointed out what an uber idiot you are. Oh my god, someone might have A2, so chuck that A3 cause it's got no possibilities. I'll just fold everything till I have A234 or AAK2. I'll play two hands till I'm blinded out. I played a two way hand and folded to a flop that offered no possibilities. I didn't chase half the pot.
And Wang, I fail to see anything sarcastic in your first post. Also I didn't fight or even start a fight until your second post after ripping me, saying you had little O8 experience. If you don't like my posts, DON'T READ THEM!!! It's that simple. |
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