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emoemu
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:31 am    Post subject: a question about 7 card stud Reply with quote

on 4th street say a player has 2 pair, 2's and 6's and another player has a pair of kings

who is a favourite to win this pot?
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Marek99
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

at that moment i guess the 2-pair guy
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Jaconda78
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the guy with kings have any straight or flush draws to go with it?
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emoemu
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no
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Jaconda78
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, another question. The guy with kings, are his other cards over the 6? Seems irrelevant, but has to do with redraws. Then I can sit down and attempt to calculate it. Gonna be kinda tough, though.
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guitarguy178
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All straight, and flush draws aside. The two pair is a small favorite. I think roughly 55%. If the K K has three to a flush or even K K Q J. The two pair is still a very slight favorite. about 52%. You could consider that about a coin flip.
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Jaconda78
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

guitarguy178 wrote:
All straight, and flush draws aside. The two pair is a small favorite. I think roughly 55%. If the K K has three to a flush or even K K Q J. The two pair is still a very slight favorite. about 52%. You could consider that about a coin flip.


Hmm, thanks, guitarguy. I wasn't honestly looking forward to calculating that.
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emoemu
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks

i am just starting to try seven card stud and its quite hard. maybe then this would mean that if i have two pair on 4th street and another player has open kings i should fold?

i dont really have a way to know if my hand is good later on
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DevilfishFan
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You shouldn't be playing small pairs against a raising king without an ace in the hole.That situation shouldn't come up very often.

If the kings come on 4th and 5th you have to try and decide what he had to begin with. Know your player.
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emoemu
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

DevilfishFan wrote:
You shouldn't be playing small pairs against a raising king without an ace in the hole.That situation shouldn't come up very often.

If the kings come on 4th and 5th you have to try and decide what he had to begin with. Know your player.


oh ok thanks
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guitarguy178
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

DevilfishFan wrote:
You shouldn't be playing small pairs against a raising king without an ace in the hole.That situation shouldn't come up very often.

If the kings come on 4th and 5th you have to try and decide what he had to begin with. Know your player.


DevilFish is right here. I see far too many players calling raises with small pairs, catching two pair and putting far too much value on them. Keep away from the small pairs unless you see 4th or 5th for cheap and can catch a set.
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One_Jackal
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: 2 small pair Reply with quote

When playing 2 small pair it's best to only make defensive bets/calls. I wouldn't try to make a big pot unless the hand improves.

In fact, I usually fold a small pair on 4th street if I don't make a set, especially with an unraised pot. I might call a single bet on 4th street if the bet was completed/raised.
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saj2000
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: 4th street Reply with quote

I completely agree with these guys, but I will be 100% honest, its not always so cut and dry. The King might make a set. Someone else stays in the hand, thinks I have a set, and the other guy has kings and catches a flush, it all depends on whats going on with who.

I am a little twisted, I will play 2 more streets, I will JAM the pot for those two streets, if the king doesn't improve he might fold, If your Door card is paired it will look like you made a set. By 5th street, I begin the checking/fold this "rag" process, if he bets I will fold, He will make a second pair before you make a set, so Consider throwing it away.

Sorry, but these guys are still right.
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