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gamefreak1667 · Guest

This is going against what everyone else has said. why not just call the 1st raise instead of reraising. your in the small blind and everyone except for the guy who raised is out and the BB is likely to fold. you can see the flop for the $1 bet and if something comes on the board that you dont like to see particularly the Ace you can lay it down. if you get a favorable flop then you play it aggressively.

IAmTheVietcong · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject:

I'd call it to see the flop, assuming that your opponent has either a high pocket pair (TT+) or suited ace + high card (I highly doubt he has aces). If you hit your king, go all in. He'll probably still think he's got the best hand regardless. If an ace comes down and you have no draws worth playing, lay it down.

Cudd · Guest

Calling is the weakest option here unless the guy is a known maniac in which it would be correct to trap assuming the BB is most likely going to fold. However, you said he seemed tight. That being said: push or fold. I like pushing. Youre at a .10/.25 table, Id say reraise hands include AA,KK,QQ,AK for a tight guy but more for a looser opponent. 20 or so hands isn't enough to pin him as a tight player.

You have QQ dominated and youre being dominated to AA. However, it isnt as simple as being dominated 50 percent of the time and dominating 50 percent of the time.Throw in the potential that he might be raising with a far weaker hand that one woudlnt normally reraise (lower PP) makes a push here correct.

Calling is the worst option here though. Calling gives him a free chance to hit one of his three outs with AK and it prevents you from winning any more money if he has a lower pocket pair (say, QQ) because he will no doubt be afraid of the ace as well.

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

Cudd · Guest

AlexScottUK · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject:

In my entire poker career, I have folded kings in Hold'em preflop once, and I have no doubt in my mind that it was the right decision (despite the fact he didn't show).

It was in a cash game and everyone had plenty of chips. I raised from under the gun, the button reraised, and the big blind ultraraised. I megaraised, the button folded, and the big blind ultramegaraised all-in. The big blind was not an idiot and I am absolutely convinced that he must have had aces to ultramegaraise preflop.

Incidentally, I've also folded aces once preflop, but by accident and I didn't even realise until I got back from a nice satisfying piss and checked the hand history. Sad

Just my two pence.

KarlDykhuis · Flush Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 135 Location: Minnesota

For some reason it feels like i've run into AA while holding KK more often than 4%. Most recently in the first hand of a SnG. Of course I lost and was a little upset that I didn't go with my gut on it, but oh well.

I too would like to see a flop and just call that reraise. I feel if you reraise there, he'll come back over all in...then what do you do, probably somewhat committed at that point.

Of all the options, you chose the safe more inexpensive route, and there's really nothing wrong with that.

jack-actionhero · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:14 am Post subject:

last night at the casino with 9 players in $2/$4 limit, 7 people stayed in pre-flop and there were raises until the betting was capped. Not a single person had aces OR kings, and the guy who started the raising was in 5th position and had JTh. Only TWO of them even had pocket pairs. One guy had Queens and the guy to my left had 77. Betting, reraising and reraising more is NOT a dead giveaway tell of Aces.

AlexScottUK · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:20 am Post subject:

Thats certainly true in limit. But when a fairly solid player puts in the fifth raise preflop in a no-limit game, you can narrow his hand down pretty well.

FatStacks06 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 736

The only time to fold it pre-flop is if you are POSITIVE they have AA. Like Alex said with his friend's ultramegareraise. You play KK the same way you play AA. And I play QQ more aggressively than I do AA or KK. I have a friend that when he plays he only plays AA, KK or QQ. That's it. 12 hands out of a possible 1500. But he will consistenly fold the KK or QQ if he thinks the other person has him beat. The only way to know if someone has AA is in a situation like that. So what if they have AK and spike an A? Never play scared. If people at the table know you'll lay down KK, they'll pick on you all day.

Wow · Guest

I never would have folded KK preflop like that. Like the majority of your replies have said, you have to play KK like AA. Add to that you had the pot odds to justify the call, and the implied odds post flop if an A didn't come, you lost out of a potentially large pot.

stevn · Message Board Junkie Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 1117

i think the only way i could fold k-k. would be if i was in a live game and i had picked up a strong read on someone. i also might fold i there were a lot raises in front of me and maybe more than 2 people all in

goodtime · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject:

I don't know how you think of folding that hand. There was only one man in besides you and the odds of him having the ONLY hand that beats is you VERY VERY low! I've folded KK once preflop like Alex, and I know for 100% sure it was the right decision. Here's my situation. $.25/$.50 NL, I bought in with $30, I've got $56 in front of me. 5 other people at the table it's a live home game. I raise to $2 UTG and 3 people call. One re raises $12 and another re re raises for about $30. I layed the KK down and it turned out that it was QQ vs AA when they both flipped over the cards. I felt sooo good after that fold I picked up my cards and showed it to my friend sitting next to me and his mouth just dropped. Razz

ev1lg3n1us · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject:

I DONT fold K-K pre flop. If another player is dealt A-A then he will take my chips.

END of STORY. PERIOD.

stevn · Message Board Junkie Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 1117

that is kind of a stubborn mind set... sometimes you have to read a player as having aces and if you know he has aces then how can you call?

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