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NilesMonkey
Two Pair
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 72
Location: Albany, NY
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 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: Biggest moron I've EVER seen! |
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Playing in the micro limits (0.25/0.50):
Full Tilt Poker Game #4408021974: Table Marlin - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 0:52:30 ET - 2007/12/06
Seat 1: cayenne10 ($13.15)
Seat 2: WhiteBomber ($4.75)
Seat 3: big_foot_md ($13.35)
Seat 4: EBabbNW ($3.80)
Seat 5: davallin ($2.75)
Seat 6: ruda1287 ($5.80)
Seat 7: MyleRod ($15.40)
Seat 8: NilesMonkey ($8.05)
Seat 9: Tooloftheman ($17.20)
MyleRod posts the small blind of $0.10
NilesMonkey posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
davallin posts a dead small blind of $0.10
davallin posts $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NilesMonkey [Kd Ac]
Tooloftheman folds
cayenne10 folds
WhiteBomber folds
big_foot_md has 15 seconds left to act
big_foot_md raises to $0.50
EBabbNW folds
davallin calls $0.25
ruda1287 folds
MyleRod calls $0.40
NilesMonkey raises to $0.75
big_foot_md raises to $1
davallin calls $0.50
MyleRod folds
NilesMonkey calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Tc Td As]
NilesMonkey bets $0.25
big_foot_md raises to $0.50
davallin calls $0.50
NilesMonkey calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Tc Td As] [9s]
NilesMonkey checks
big_foot_md bets $0.50
davallin calls $0.50
NilesMonkey calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Tc Td As 9s] [8s]
NilesMonkey checks
big_foot_md checks
davallin bets $0.50
NilesMonkey calls $0.50
big_foot_md calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
davallin shows [Js 4s] a flush, Ace high
NilesMonkey mucks
big_foot_md mucks
davallin wins the pot ($7.70) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.10 | Rake $0.40
Board: [Tc Td As 9s 8s]
Seat 1: cayenne10 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: WhiteBomber didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: big_foot_md mucked [Ad Ks] - two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 4: EBabbNW didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: davallin showed [Js 4s] and won ($7.70) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: ruda1287 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: MyleRod (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: NilesMonkey (big blind) mucked [Kd Ac] - two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 9: Tooloftheman didn't bet (folded)
Wait... it gets better. Usually, I try as hard as I can to keep my mouth shut, but I couldn't help it in this case. Here are snippets of the post-hand conversation over the next 10 minutes or so:
NilesMonkey: called four raises with j-4.... what are ya gonna do, huh?
(two hands later)
davallin: u forgot to mention the fact that i won that hand so if one goes with his gut one shouldnt have to explane ok (spelling errors left in on purpose)
NilesMonkey: i didn't ask you to explain your mistake.... if you feel the need to defend it, that's your issue
davallin: yea and a k is a winner every time
NilesMonkey: if you say so
NilesMonkey: 
davallin: ur the one that raised 4 times with it not me
NilesMonkey: now you're just confusing yourself
davallin: ok ty for the info
NilesMonkey: no prob, glad to help
I expect to find a good deal of empty heads at the micro limits, but geez... calls the max pre-flop, and cold-calls after that flop? I thought even idiocy had it's limit.
Guess I was wrong. |
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fire_eyes_2k
The Burn Card
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 3179
Location: Old York
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| This is pretty standard at the micros. If you move up to 5/10 you will get some decent players. Oh yeah, and reraise the flop. |
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hghlndr6
Four of a Kind
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
Posts: 265
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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But they were soooted!!  |
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NilesMonkey
Two Pair
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 72
Location: Albany, NY
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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In the same session, by the way...
Full Tilt Poker Game #4408074944: Table Marlin - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 0:58:27 ET - 2007/12/06
Seat 1: cayenne10 ($17.75)
Seat 2: WhiteBomber ($6.70)
Seat 3: big_foot_md ($10.50)
Seat 4: EBabbNW ($1.80)
Seat 5: davallin ($6.85)
Seat 6: LotaDimes ($17.50)
Seat 7: MyleRod ($11.40)
Seat 8: NilesMonkey ($5.45)
Seat 9: Tooloftheman ($16.95)
EBabbNW posts the small blind of $0.10
davallin posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NilesMonkey [Js 4s]
MyleRod folds
NilesMonkey folds
Tooloftheman folds
cayenne10 folds
WhiteBomber raises to $0.50
big_foot_md folds
EBabbNW folds
davallin folds
Uncalled bet of $0.25 returned to WhiteBomber
WhiteBomber mucks
WhiteBomber wins the pot ($0.60)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.60 | Rake $0
Seat 1: cayenne10 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: WhiteBomber collected ($0.60), mucked
Seat 3: big_foot_md (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: EBabbNW (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: davallin (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: LotaDimes is sitting out
Seat 7: MyleRod didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: NilesMonkey didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Tooloftheman didn't bet (folded)
Maybe I should have raised? 
Oh, and yes...
| fire_eyes_2k wrote: |
| Oh yeah, and reraise the flop. |
I can't remember what type of read I had on the raiser, but looking back on it I agree with you. However, i doubt it would have changed the outcome of the hand at all.
Oh, well. |
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fire_eyes_2k
The Burn Card
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 3179
Location: Old York
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| NilesMonkey wrote: |
| fire_eyes_2k wrote: |
| Oh yeah, and reraise the flop. |
I can't remember what type of read I had on the raiser, but looking back on it I agree with you. However, i doubt it would have changed the outcome of the hand at all. |
The results of the specific hand are irrelevant, as being results-orientated is bad. Longterm you are often ahead on that flop and you want to maximise your profit when you're ahead. I guarantee you'll run into a similar/same situation sooner or later, so next time go for the reraise. |
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griffinlord
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 2454
Location: The Great Plains of South Dakota
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| fire_eyes_2k wrote: |
| This is pretty standard at the micros. |
And as hard as it is OP needs to learn to love this sort of play. It is amazingly bad play on villain's part, but you got to love a guy who sees a flop with any two suited, especially a 4 bet flop when he is a dog.
Sure, he gets the thrill of picking up a monster pot every once-in-a-while, but in the long run he is just bleeding off money. If he stays at the table long enough eventually you'll get it back with interest. |
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alex j beeson
Royal Flush
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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Wow! That was really bad play on seat 5's part. He got really really lucky. RIGGAT!!! 
So did he end up losing all his dough? Or did he cut and run? |
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POKERLECTRIC
High Card
Joined: 05 Oct 2007
Posts: 3
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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yeah... some people just don't know the rules. WE all know that you can't play J4, but some people dont get it - and they go and win the hand with it - my God, they should be exterminated until they learn exactly what cards the rules tell them they should play.
They're just cheats, plain and simple.
Maybe we should lobby the Govt to introduce legislation that stops people from playing J4 - we could call ourselves the Anti-J4 Conglomerate.
I say put pressure on the authorities until they stop this insanity.
After that we can concentrate on the 8-3 radicals and those nefarious 7-2 rebels who every now and again flop a full boat.
Dude... someone sucked out and won a hand - fricken deal with it! |
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cubbies760
Next Year Is Here
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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Location: Suburban Chicago
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Is it just me who is more shocked by the call on the flop, than the PF call?
A 4-bet PF with a flop of TTA.....OK, sure, I'll play J high with no draw for fiddy cent.....sounds like a winna to me!!! |
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hghlndr6
Four of a Kind
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
Is it just me who is more shocked by the call on the flop, than the PF call?
A 4-bet PF with a flop of TTA.....OK, sure, I'll play J high with no draw for fiddy cent.....sounds like a winna to me!!! |
I'm not shocked at all. He liked his 2 suited cards pre-flop, so he loves his 3 hearts on the flop. He's going to the river no matter what. He's focused on his cards and has not a care about what anyone else has.
And this is limit, Cubs. He's most likely getting drawing odds all the way post-flop. |
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sohail
Pair
Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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Location: Virginia
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| As long as he stays on the table and doesn't run after a suckout, I would still keep my mouth shut. Why would you want to discuss this with him anyways. He'll only tigthen up, and may win some more. If I was you, i would either say nothing, or just say nice hand, be nice to him. He'll pay you off sooner or later. |
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griffinlord
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Location: The Great Plains of South Dakota
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| hghlndr6 wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
Is it just me who is more shocked by the call on the flop, than the PF call?
A 4-bet PF with a flop of TTA.....OK, sure, I'll play J high with no draw for fiddy cent.....sounds like a winna to me!!! |
I'm not shocked at all. He liked his 2 suited cards pre-flop, so he loves his 3 hearts on the flop. He's going to the river no matter what. He's focused on his cards and has not a care about what anyone else has. |
Agree, this happens all the time at this level.
Pot odds? What the F are pot odds? My gut is telling me to go for it.
OR
I got a freaking flush draw...who the hell lays down a freaking flush draw??
| hghlndr6 wrote: |
| And this is limit, Cubs. He's most likely getting drawing odds all the way post-flop. |
Not on the turn. With a runner-runner flush draw and not much else he has at best 2 outs so he'd need something like 20-1 or better to have proper odds to see the turn. He's calling with about 8-1.
When he catches his 4th flush card on the turn he's likely got odds to see the river. But on the turn, not even close. |
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cubbies760
Next Year Is Here
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| griffinlord wrote: |
| hghlndr6 wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
Is it just me who is more shocked by the call on the flop, than the PF call?
A 4-bet PF with a flop of TTA.....OK, sure, I'll play J high with no draw for fiddy cent.....sounds like a winna to me!!! |
I'm not shocked at all. He liked his 2 suited cards pre-flop, so he loves his 3 hearts on the flop. He's going to the river no matter what. He's focused on his cards and has not a care about what anyone else has. |
Agree, this happens all the time at this level.
Pot odds? What the F are pot odds? My gut is telling me to go for it.
OR
I got a freaking flush draw...who the hell lays down a freaking flush draw??
| hghlndr6 wrote: |
| And this is limit, Cubs. He's most likely getting drawing odds all the way post-flop. |
Not on the turn. With a runner-runner flush draw and not much else he has at best 2 outs so he'd need something like 20-1 or better to have proper odds to see the turn. He's calling with about 8-1.
When he catches his 4th flush card on the turn he's likely got odds to see the river. But on the turn, not even close. |
Yeah, I was obviously referring to his call on the flop. With that flop, he completely missed everything. All he has is a runner/runner FD, and some of those outs could have been dead due to a boat possibility.
Once he saw the turn, he's got to see the river. I just don't know how one could chase a r/r FD as the odds aren't even close for that. |
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Rojogrande67
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Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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| I hate it when people preach but be glad you are playing with these players. At these low limits (which I have been playing at to add a little more to my bankroll) we are not going to win huge pots by out playing or outbetting these players. Money is made when they make mistakes. Yes they will win some hands that drive us crazy but be thankful they are such bad players. Encourage them when they make those calls and raises with J4. Then win an Oscar by telling them you sucked out when they miss and you take the pot with top pair and top kicker. |
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dumwaldo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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You have no control over the way other people play. You have absolute control over the way YOU play. Knowing these two facts is VERY important in devising a winning strategy.
There are people out there that are going to simply run you down sometimes. They refuse to fold anything and somehow magically avoid the bad beats. We all assume these players are donkeys but there are actually tons of pretty legitimate reasons why a player might play like this.
If you get angered or frustrated at it then you not only lost a hand but you are going to lose many more because you will not be thinking clearly. You might justify to yourself your play and conclude you just got unlucky but I believe that is often a mistake.
I think it is a mistake because it fails to adjust your strategy for a 'non-standard' opponent. If you continue to play them like you would play any other player at the table you could find yourself in some tough situations. Slight adjustments to strategy can help a great deal at minimizing losses when playing against these players.
The downside that many people will argue is that making these slight adjustments will also reduce your profits when playing against these types of players and they are correct. To those people I say in the long run you will not profit more if you also lose more when you lose. You will just experience greater swings of variance. Slowing down a little and NOT trying to juice every possible cent from these players will reduce variance and provide a more consistent result from playing.
I started playing on FTP again just recently. When I started again I quickly began enjoying great profits from the incredibly soft stud tables. In about 2 weeks I turned $100 into $1000. But then the soft tables turned on me. Instead of profiting from bad hands calling all the way down to the river I ran into a prolonged streak of those bad hands hitting on the river.
I did not sit by idle and just allow 'bad luck' to have its way with me at the expense of what I had earned. I adjusted my strategy. I did not make the reraise where I would have made it two weeks before. I stoped making the value bets on the river that were costing me extra bets when those long shots hit. I slowed down my entire approach to the game.
For a week the cards just kept running bad and I kept finding myself on the wrong side of the showdown. But you know what? I didn't lose the money I won when I was hitting. Things had stagnated to break even poker but it was not running me into a big loss. It allowed me to 'ride it out' without seeing a big downswing even if it was at the expense of bigger upswings.
Things are starting to even off and I am starting to fade the suckouts again so my style is slowly moving back to the aggressive play I strive for. Hopefully another nice upswing will follow and I can make some decent profits but if I do not see things going where I would like I am fully prepared to pull that belt tight again.
I don't expect to get rich in one night of poker and I don't suggest anybody else expect the same. There is no shame in slowing down and looking for a more consistent long term result.
peace,
dumwaldo |
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