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vorshot · Two Pair Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 71

As of today, i am done with Full Tilt.

I deposited last month because i was told that i could learn, chat, and play with the pros but after being here, lets be realistic.

Play With The Pros:
Pros are mostly going to play in their bankroll, and their bankroll only. Not one problem with that. If i could play at the bankrolls they play at, i wouldn't even glance at the low limit tables that players such as i sit at. I also wouldn't claim that anyone could come play at my table either.

Every once in a while though, a pro will come play at low limit...

Quote:

Full Tilt Poker Game #319126897: Table Sierra Vista - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:08:50 ET - 2005/12/03
Seat 1: rasamataz ($7.10)
Seat 2: bostongary ($9.85)
Seat 3: VorShot ($10)
Seat 4: SIRHUMPSALOT ($11.10)
Seat 5: Prime Objective ($9.90)
Seat 6: John DAgostino ($10)
Seat 7: Half Full ($19.70)
Seat 8: CIndians ($4)
Seat 9: PureLuck3 ($2.30)
John DAgostino: oh man
Prime Objective has 5 seconds left to act
Prime Objective posts the small blind of $0.05
VorShot: Well John..i'm going Angry Gnome...which means your out of luck
John DAgostino: please no angry gnome
John DAgostino posts the big blind of $0.10
VorShot: yeah...fear it
Prime Objective: do u have any advice for winning at nlhe 6max tables
VorShot posts $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to VorShot [3d As]
John DAgostino: not sure
Half Full folds
Prime Objective: lol
Prime Objective: ok
PureLuck3 calls $0.10
rasamataz folds
bostongary folds
VorShot checks
John DAgostino: heres the best strategy
SIRHUMPSALOT folds
Prime Objective folds
John DAgostino raises to $10, and is all in
Prime Objective: lol
Dr_Doogie_MD (Observer): While you're at it, can you explain the meaing of life?
Prime Objective: tried it didnt work
PureLuck3 folds
VorShot: i said i was going angry gnome
VorShot calls $9.90, and is all in
John DAgostino shows [6h 3h]
VorShot shows [3d As]
John DAgostino: oh man
*** FLOP *** [4s 8h Qd]
*** TURN *** [4s 8h Qd] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [4s 8h Qd 8s] [5d]
John DAgostino shows a pair of Eights
VorShot shows a pair of Eights
VorShot wins the pot ($19.15) with a pair of Eights
John DAgostino: stupid gnome
John DAgostino is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.15 | Rake $1
Board: [4s 8h Qd 8s 5d]
Seat 1: rasamataz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: bostongary didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: VorShot showed [3d As] and won ($19.15) with a pair of Eights
Seat 4: SIRHUMPSALOT (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Prime Objective (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: John DAgostino (big blind) showed [6h 3h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 7: Half Full didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: CIndians is sitting out
Seat 9: PureLuck3 folded before the Flop

And for the pros that do that, it's random and rare, but the players that get to sit with you, we thank you.

But on average, a player on this site either has to have a high bankroll, or be in the right place at the right time.

If there was at least one day of the month that at least ONE pro could sit at a low level, at the same time every week, people would look forward to signing up, and playing with the pros, no matter what level, because anyone can buy into the lowest level.

..........

(Post ran out of room, so next post is where this leaves off.)

vorshot · Two Pair Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 71

Chat With The Pros:
Only really two ways this can happen. At the table, or on this forum. Most pros only have table chat (which is understandable) turned on, so this once again goes back to sitting at the table. This is also the wrong place to ask questions, because EVERYONE is trying to ask the pros questions. The only real place we can "chat" with the pros is here on this forum, yet pros stats on this forum are;

(Please keep in mind, that if they go by another name other then their real name, i did not find them with the search by author for that reason.)

Howard Lederer > 37 post. Last post, Jul 15.
Phil Ivey > 0 post.
Chris Ferguson > 0 post.
John Juanda > 0 post.
Jennifer Harman > 0 post.
Phil Gordon > 9 post. Last post, Oct 03.
Erick Lindgren > 3 post. Last post, Jun 29.
Erik Seidel > 8 post. Last post, Jun 23.
Clonie Gowen > 0 post.
Andy Bloch > 10 post. Last post, Aug 22.

Now, seeing as how chatting with the pros at the table wouldn't be easy for them, when are we suppost to get feedback from them?

Learn From the Pros:
And somehow, we have to do this, without being able to talk to them, or get answers from any questions.

Welp, i'm going back to my old site. Will this get ignored? Well sure it will. Which is the whole point i'm making with this post.

The link below is a post i set up almost a month ago, and even though only a small amount of people took the time to vote, 95% (at least at the current time of this post) said that they wish they could get more feedback from the pros.
http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/viewtopic.php?t=3726

Good luck to everyone on this site, maybe i'll see you at one of the 50 FTP freerolls with the points i have left.

PS. I saved all those point in an attempt to afford the cheapest hat, but since i fell shy, i'm gonna play a few Freerolls and then remove this site from my computer.

Please understand, that i'm not asking anyone to follow me. This is a one man march, and i'm hoping that the time i took to do this, might change a few things for you Full Tilters that continue to support this site.

jungilist · Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:

i want the jersey,
otherwise id just go to the casino...

Blaster · Three of a Kind Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 76

I think you may be expecting a little too much from FullTilt,
Just to be fair to FullTilt, a look at the "other side of the coin"

"Learn From The Pros" :
OK - Click on the "How To Play" link at the top of the page, there you will find about 40 Essays, ("Tips from the pros"), that go into detail on many aspects of poker. These new Essays, by some of the top pros in Poker, are provided free by Full Tilt, & could easily be a $29.99 Book in iteself, & new ones are added every few weeks. Full Tilt also now has a fairly new "Learn From the Pros" TV Show on Fox Sprots Net, a first of it's kind Poker TV show that is not simply highlights from a final table of game play.
These things alone, in my opinion, allow FT to live up to their "Learn From The Pros" slogan, & any additional tips you may gain from chit-chat at an online table, or posts in the forum, are "iceing on the cake".
"Chat/Play With the Pros":
Common sense - With thousands of FT players spread across thousands of Real money & Play money tables, & multiple time zones, do you ever think FullTilt can please everyone complaining they want to "play" with the handful of Pros?? I often see them playing online, from the lowest limit ring games & tournies, to the highest & That's more than enough (for me), for their "play w/The Pros" slogan to be justified. ..... Do you also really expect to play with Raymer or Moneymaker because they blerted out the advertized Stars slogan " Come Play with me on XXX.net"
If all the FT Pros quit their day (night Smile

) jobs, & played on full Tilt 6 days a week 8 hrs a day it wouldn't make a dent, .... I'll admit You do have a point about the forum, creating a category called "Ask the Pros" in which, if your stats are correct, many pros never seem to look at, or are absent for months on end, will hopefully improve...
Although , I also have to admit I'm also not a full time forum junkie, & also neglect to check it for sometimes months on end too.... (My last Post was Sept 7)....
Let's face it, & keep it in perspective, when you sign up for Full Tilt you are signing up to "Play Online Poker" first & formost ... But if your main goal is rather to end up on a table to chat with a pro, I'm sure you will eventually make that happen, although it may not be in the 1st few months after you sign up.

_Xceptional · Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject:

Yeah, at least at this site you have the ability to chat with the pros. Doesn't mean they're gonna be frequenting the board 24/7 like some of us, they're lives are much more hectic than most of ours, and they find time to do so when possible. Sure, go over to Party Poker, Pokerstars, or whereever you came from, but you won't have the potential to talk to some pros. I think this is a meaningless post, and you obviously have some anger control issues if something like this upsets you that much. And by the way, why would the thought of calling DAgostino with A3 offsuit even enter your brain....

-Tony-

Otto410 · Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: Re:

_Xceptional · Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject:

Ok so maybe they don't post as much as one would like or expect . . . but as I said, they do have busy lives. And I'm not discounting your schedule so don't get too offended Otto. But to sit here and make a rant about this and have it be the reason you're done playing here is assanine.

Otto410 · Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: Re:

vorshot · Two Pair Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 71

Answered questions as i saw them. Not really in order, but there ya go.

vorshot · Two Pair Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 71

vorshot · Two Pair Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 71

Also, i don't want pros to be on 24/7. I would like ONE of them to show up once a month. This site has 10 MAIN pros, which means if one showed up a month, that means that if the pros took turns, at MOST a pro would have to show up twice a YEAR.

And that's not even adding in the "FRIENDS" of the pros.

If twice a year is to much to ask, then that really supports my post.

_Xceptional · Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:08 am Post subject:

All good points, by I can't fathom to understand why that would make you leave . . . you're not gonna get anywhere by playing at any other site. If you're leaving based off just this because it bothers you that much and you wan't to take a stand, then fine . . . why don't you email FTP and see what that does.

-Tony-

SKS_Poker · Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:43 am Post subject:

I've spoken to a couple of pro's now and again (I think a total of 4 times since I've signed on for this site). I'd say about 50% of them have their full chat turned on at the tables and they do answer, but not while they're in a hand and not to any random posts that are more geared at insults or abuse or when the chat box is enundated with posts.

I'm not saying the feelings of those that want to have more access to the pro's are wrong. However, though one of the reasons I signed on here was to be able to talk to the pro's, it's not the driving force that has kept me here.

The level of play here seems higher which means I have a chance to play poker rather than a crapshoot as compared to other sites. So, when I don't have time to go to the local cardrooms here, I can log in to FTP and get some semblance of actual play which in turn helps me to stay sharp and practice as well as learn from others.

The learning from others doesn't have to be a pro for me. There are plenty of good to great players that post on these forums that have made points or had ideas that I could pull from and should a pro happen to chime in, then that to me is a perk.

I personally don't care if a pro posts in the forums ever again. It's nice to think that they might. And sure they advertise it, but it's really not half as important to me as being able to play online poker at a higher level than other sites and learning from the experiences of others.

As I said, I understand how some might feel about it, but I just thought I would post MY reasons for staying here as opposed to the one reason others might want to leave.

Blaster · Three of a Kind Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 76

vorshot · Two Pair Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 71

You seem to think i'm asking for anything special.
I just want pros to come to this forum and post, and have some time (maybe once a month) where they sit down at a table and tell everyone when that will be before hand.

This way, people can look forward to sitting down with the pros. As of now, you might get lucky and sit with one, but who knows, because no one knows their scedual.

And getting a post answered by someone like Phil Gordon? Not a lot of chance of that happening.

I came here, because i wanted interaction with the pros. If i can't get that, i'll go to another site that gives much better rake back then this place.

The bonuses here are pretty standard here, so i'll take my money elsewhere.

And as far as emailing FTP...i did. I got the standard generic reply.
*shrugs*

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