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Villain is obviously an idiot with no clue what he's doing... what streets should I have played differently?

Full Tilt Poker Game #4149066992: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (31501629), Table 1 - 250/500 Ante 40 - Limit Razz - 2:47:33 ET - 2007/11/12
Seat 4: renegades8 (3,044)
Seat 6: Jefe dos Perros (4,007)
Seat 8: Krcko (4,949)
renegades8 antes 40
Jefe dos Perros antes 40
Krcko antes 40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [3s Ah] [5c]
Dealt to Jefe dos Perros [5d]
Dealt to Krcko [9h]
Krcko is high with [9h]
Krcko completes it to 250
renegades8 raises to 500
Jefe dos Perros folds
Krcko calls 250
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [3s Ah 5c] [Td]
Dealt to Krcko [9h] [4h]
Krcko bets 250
renegades8 calls 250
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [3s Ah 5c Td] [Jc]
Dealt to Krcko [9h 4h] [9c]
renegades8 checks
Krcko bets 500
renegades8 calls 500
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [3s Ah 5c Td Jc] [Ad]
Dealt to Krcko [9h 4h 9c] [8s]
renegades8 checks
Krcko bets 500
renegades8 has 15 seconds left to act
renegades8 folds
Uncalled bet of 500 returned to Krcko
Krcko mucks
Krcko wins the pot (2,620)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,620 | Rake 0
Seat 4: renegades8 folded on 6th St.
Seat 6: Jefe dos Perros folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: Krcko collected (2,620), mucked

Then I went bust on this hand while on full blown mega donkey tilt...

Full Tilt Poker Game #4149113855: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (31501629), Table 1 - 300/600 Ante 50 - Limit Razz - 2:55:46 ET - 2007/11/12
Seat 4: renegades8 (1,969)
Seat 6: Jefe dos Perros (2,407)
Seat 8: Krcko (7,624)
renegades8 antes 50
Jefe dos Perros antes 50
Krcko antes 50
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [Ks 5c] [4s]
Dealt to Jefe dos Perros [8h]
Dealt to Krcko [Jh]
Krcko is high with [Jh]
Krcko brings in for 100
renegades8 calls 100
Jefe dos Perros folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [Ks 5c 4s] [8c]
Dealt to Krcko [Jh] [6d]
renegades8 bets 300
Krcko raises to 600
renegades8 calls 300
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [Ks 5c 4s 8c] [Qs]
Dealt to Krcko [Jh 6d] [Js]
renegades8 bets 600
Krcko calls 600
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [Ks 5c 4s 8c Qs] [Ad]
Dealt to Krcko [Jh 6d Js] [7h]
renegades8 bets 600
Krcko calls 600
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to renegades8 [Ks 5c 4s 8c Qs Ad] [4d]
renegades8 bets 19, and is all in
Krcko calls 19
*** SHOW DOWN ***
renegades8 shows [Ks 5c 4s 8c Qs Ad 4d] Q,8,5,4,A
Krcko shows [Tc 5h Jh 6d Js 7h 2h] T,7,6,5,2
Krcko wins the pot (3,988) with T,7,6,5,2
renegades8 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,988 | Rake 0
Seat 4: renegades8 showed [Ks 5c 4s 8c Qs Ad 4d] and lost with Q,8,5,4,A
Seat 6: Jefe dos Perros folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: Krcko showed [Tc 5h Jh 6d Js 7h 2h] and won (3,988) with T,7,6,5,2

smurfberry · High Card Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 20

I think it's fair to give him credit for two strong down cards. Let's argue that he probably had about what you did, A3 down. He starts with A39 and completes. You raise, and he calls. Maybe he things you don't really have a hand or only have a weak hand. Or maybe he's just not very good or just decided to make a move. Either way, he's in the hand.

At 4th street, he could very well be ahead. If he has A349 he's 2 cards ahead now. If he is, he's still in better shape on 5th.

On 6th he has a made 9 with a terrible draw to an 8. You potentially improve to a worse hand with a better draw, but you don't bet so he has every reason to think he's ahead. If you've paired, as you likely have - he knows he's ahead. He bets it, and you fold out.

Obviously we don't know that's what he had, but it's not hard to imagine this line of play if he did. You could have shown more strength on 4th and 5th, which may have slowed him down if he didn't have the hand. But, I don't think your weak position warranted it.

I'm very curious what more experienced players think of this hand, as I find myself in this position a lot, a great starting hand facing a weaker hand that has potentially outdrawn me. I think I would have folded to the bet on 5th unless I was really thought the player was capable of playing a 9 high without having solid cards underneath.

zhoux_888 · High Card Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 5

Purely base on the pot size, Hero is getting 4:1 on the 5th street. I don't think villan is more than 4:1 favorite at that moment so a call is probably justified. But on the 6th street, I believe it's a fold. I doubt the villan completes with a rough 9 which means the 8 probably did not pair him. The 4 probably did not pair him either base on villan's betting pattern.

Big Stan 7676 · Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:11 am Post subject:

Interesting that I think the second hand is more problematic earlier. But quickly about the 1st one. That reraise post flop screams 3 to a 9. Of course your calling his reraise. On 4th street the problem starts. He could have 4 to a 9 versuses your 4 to a 10. Here I think about folding. He showed nothing but aggression and I'm definately folding personally. The pair on 5th gives you little hope with your paint versus his potential draw to 9 high versus your made queen? high. On 6th street foldings fine. But you could have reraised representing improvement to the 10 high and a nut 5 low draw. He certainly doesn't seem like he's going to fold so folding is ok. But against a different style of player representing improvement on a busted pair can work.
On the hand you went out on I definately think you should of raised the flop. ie complete That screamed I have a problem in the hole against the bring. If it was multiway I'd be far less critical of calling. He read you as weak and was able to discount his jack against your holding as 3 cards versuses 3 cards after 4th street. The hand and board reading spelt the end from 5th street on. Stan Crying or Very sad

sgspecial · Flush Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 139

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