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deadmoney314 Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: |
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I don't think strategically you should ever play a hand the same twice at the same table.
People that ram and jam a pot on every bet when they have aces will not get to build many big pots. Same thing with an obvious flush or straight that hits on a flop. |
If you want to see something really funny, check out this guy's AA getting cracked when he rams and jams every opportunity in the "Bad Beats" forum. |
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jack-actionhero Message Board Junkie
Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 1046 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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ever rammed and jammed with Aces and had some phone booth keep calling?
ever slowplayed Aces and had someone ram and jam with an under pair?
Ever not been an obnoxious prick whose goal is to rip on someone else to make yourself feel better? |
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deadmoney314 Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| jack-actionhero wrote: |
| when somebody uses a belittling form of my name to me, I will continue to completely disregard any and all comments by that person. |
hmm, your posts are VERY confusing.
Maybe to add some constructive discussion to this forum we should continue the other threads regarding AK since I believe that was the original point of this post. |
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jack-actionhero Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| so where in MN are you from? Do you play any live tournaments or cash games here? |
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deadmoney314 Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: location |
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I am in the twin cities and I play limit live cash games at Canterbury Park yellow chips and above for the past 5 years. Online I play UB 6 max, my bread and butter. I am a winning player throughout all of this and I keep excellent records in case the IRS ever decides to crack down on poker enthusiasts.
I hate tourneys for the same reason Mike Caro does but that does not mean I am a slouch in NL--I simply prefer limit cash games.
The sheer amount of experience I have gives me the confidence to rip into n00bs although I don't do it often. A lot of poker is getting into a strangers mind and tearing it to pieces which can easily transfer into forums when talking about the subject. You should realize that many people come and go in this world which is no surprise since less than 10% of the people on a website or in a b&m come out on top.
IMHO your posts scream "I'm a shooting star". You seem like every guy I've met that feels like they have the game cracked early in their career only to find out a year later that they should have kept their money in their pockets. Its hard to believe that I don't mean any offence by that comment, but when something acts like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
In any case, my interests on this forum are to be a part of poker theory discussions--ideas in other words. I'll go to 2+2 if I want hand history discussions as people there are much better at posting not just the hand history but the moods and previous betting patterns of opponents--but that sort of analysis is hardly ever inspiring or useful to me.
Like I said, read through some of the other big slick posts in the fixed limit strategy discussions and add something useful if you want a constructive conversation.
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jack-actionhero Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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IMHO your posts scream "I'm a shooting star". You seem like every guy I've met that feels like they have the game cracked early in their career only to find out a year later that they should have kept their money in their pockets. Its hard to believe that I don't mean any offence by that comment, but when something acts like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
I'm not sure what I've said that gives you that impression. I think I have a much better understanding of HE than you are giving me credit for. Some of the hands I've posted may seem like ridiculous plays to you when read out of context of the entire scope of the game I was involved in. I know that already. However, I am a student of the game and willingly admit that I don't know everything. I've picked this game up quickly and I do play a lot of poker, both live and online. I've never done canturbury because that's about an hour away from me. I live in SE metro. TI is a much closer option. I also play in the mn bar leagues and I travel around the cities doing those, as well as the smaller cash payouts at local bar MTTs.
I'm 31 years old and have been playing various types of poker fairly regularly since I was about 14 and have been doing hold em and studying hold em for about 2 years. |
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deadmoney314 Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: lets move on |
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I will do my best to be less sarcastic in this reply
> I'm not sure what I've said that gives you that impression.
The first advice I heard you give was in this post and gave me the impression you were new and after reading a few other posts like rockets getting cracked by a flush draw being considered a “bad beat” in low limit poker confirmed this. If that’s considered a bad beat, I must be the unluckiest winning player in poker.
Although your advice in this thread probably meant to not be predictable at the table (which I had already stated) it is too extreme to never play the same way at the same table given identical or near identical situations. I don’t think you should veer wildly away from stuff that is working simply to adhere to a vaguely conceived strategy. In addition to your advice about ramming and jamming every time you have AA, I called you out because you had a post where you did just that in the face of an obvious scare card—loose opponent or not.
> I think I have a much better understanding of HE than you are giving
> me credit for.
In all honesty I had you pegged as someone new to the game (and yes 2 years is still early in your career) and I was right. Considering the limits you have posted and the play I would say that you have a lot to learn but not saying that you haven’t studied. I will volunteer some advice now, quit while you are behind—poker is addictive and rarely pans out for people in your stage of development. If you stay with it realize that you have a big hill to climb to establish yourself in the poker world and it WILL take a long time.
> Some of the hands I've posted may seem like ridiculous plays to you
> when read out of context of the entire scope of the game I was involved
> in. I know that already. However, I am a student of the game and
> willingly admit that I don't know everything. I've picked this game up
> quickly and I do play a lot of poker, both live and online.
If you want to get better at this point, I recommend posting questions and/or ideas to get some constructive debates or even arguments. Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself when you think you are right but prepare to defend your points with vigor. I am honestly hoping you read some of the AK threads and add your viewpoints as the threads in the fixed limit forum have run kind of dry lately anyway. You will notice people disappear suddenly in the world of poker just by reading through these posts.
> I've never done canturbury because that's about an hour away from
> me. I live in SE metro. TI is a much closer option.
Its worth the drive imo, 4x as many tables—you can always get a seat right away on weekdays and there is a full house of fish on the weekends. Online is better because no tipping, no rake, no gas money, etc. I live in south Minneapolis and it only takes me 20 minutes to get there.
> I also play in the mn bar leagues and I travel around the cities doing
> those, as well as the smaller cash payouts at local bar MTTs.
Again, don’t want to step out of line but those bar leagues are a joke—black hat productions? I know the guy who started this craze. Not only do you have dealing errors you have way too many n00bs involved to be proud of a win that nets you no money. They say you can win a seat eventually after like 4 or 5 satellite parlays into a real tourney but last year the guy who was supposed to get it got nada with no explanation I heard. If you more fun drinking at the bar and playing poker rather than and playing pool or darts, more power to you—but in reality if you consider this poker experience, don’t. Go do the full tilt freeroll or other site freerolls because at least the wins are tangible $$.
The smaller cash payouts at local bar MTTs I haven’t heard of but that is the better option than the bar leagues. If you win and end up with $$, do that. Canterbury also has tourneys nearly weekly up to $400 buy-ins 100+ seats where you can end up with some real money. The schedule is post
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deadmoney314 Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: continued |
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ed on their website. Again, I subscribe to Caro’s ideas about tourneys so I play none of these (although while bored I did win a couple online MTT 900 people deep).
> I'm 31 years old and have been playing various types of poker fairly
> regularly since I was about 14 and have been doing hold em and
> studying hold em for about 2 years.
I am 28, and I have been playing since ’95 and playing seriously since ’98 and I still have a lot to learn myself—but the learning curve is much much different at my stage than at yours. You should believe me when I say I’ve seen many people at your stage of development come and go, and more end up going. There are a near infinite (if that makes any sense) number of strategies that can be applied to poker, but there are a finite number of winning strategies especially when considering fixed limit. I’ve seen most of them employed and I at least know what does not work and I have a great deal of knowledge on what does work. So lets start discussing how to optimize a winning strategy into a crushing strategy and I will be all in  |
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jack-actionhero Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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My allotted budget for playing poker is relatively low. I'm certainly not willing to commit $400 for a tournament. I just don't have it.
The bar MTTs I play in have $0 buy in and up to $150 payout for 1st place. That's pretty good odds when there are only 6 tables of 8.
online poker is all right, but live poker is where I can use my advantages. I can read people like an open book. I minored in psychology and have studied psychological "tells" ad nauseum.
The bar league I referred to isn't black hat productions I don't think... I've only played a couple times there.
I'm not going to quit playing poker, because I think I understand the game. Yes, I have a lot to learn, but I am a quick learner when it comes to things like this, whether you believe me or not.
I never said losing Aces to a flush was a bad beat, by the way. I posted it there to remind myself how dumb of a play it was, but also it was really low limit, and I wasn't going to lose any real money, and I wanted the 50 cents worth of information.
Although your advice in this thread probably meant to not be predictable at the table (which I had already stated) it is too extreme to never play the same way at the same table given identical or near identical situations. I don’t think you should veer wildly away from stuff that is working simply to adhere to a vaguely conceived strategy.
I did mean to not be predictable. I guess it probably sounded like I meant to never play one hand the same way, which really wasn't my point. I rammed and jammed aces against a jackal that previously had went to the river with 38o and no pairs or draws and he had jammed it all the way to try and steal it.[/i] |
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Jaconda78 Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Argh. I still don't see what info you would have gotten for the extra $1 (you had NO reason to think he wouldn't cap it)! You got to see his cards just by calling - why reraise????? If you aren't willing to play correctly at micro limits, you won't at bigger ones. Learn to discipline yourself here, before it becomes too expensive. |
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jack-actionhero Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| of course I knew he was going to cap it. I also knew he was a megolomaniac. I figured he would lose a huge stack if I encouraged him to. Turns out I was wrong on that hand. |
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Jaconda78 Message Board Junkie
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| of course I knew he was going to cap it. I also knew he was a megolomaniac. I figured he would lose a huge stack if I encouraged him to. Turns out I was wrong on that hand. |
Then you think your bet was a value bet, not an information bet as you've been saying. Different story. However, I still don't like the reraise, as there's an awful lot that was beating you there. |
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