Online Poker Forum - The River Bluff-raise

Strasse · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: The River Bluff-raise

What do you think about this play? TOP says its a must for expert players. I try it occasionally when I think it has a chance to work, but haven't actually gotten it to work until tonight. The problem I see with it is that the only players that are donkey enough to bet their **** hands OTR w/o knowing whether its a bluff or a value bet are too donkey to fold when you try the play.

Full Tilt Poker Game #4008769992: Table Rome - $3/$6 Ante $0.50 - Limit Stud Hi - 22:02:02 ET - 2007/10/29
Seat 1: general strike ($147), is sitting out
Seat 2: joeslikk ($34.50)
Seat 3: desertfox81 ($89.50)
Seat 4: wahzzini ($18)
Seat 5: Strasse ($251.50)
Seat 6: Horetore ($195.50)
Seat 7: samaroo1 ($35.50)
Seat 8: Overholdt ($283.50)
desertfox81 antes $0.50
wahzzini antes $0.50
Strasse antes $0.50
samaroo1 antes $0.50
Overholdt antes $0.50
Horetore antes $0.50
joeslikk antes $0.50
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to joeslikk [8h]
Dealt to desertfox81 [Jd]
Dealt to wahzzini [3d]
Dealt to Strasse [6s Ah] [6h]
Dealt to Horetore [8s]
Dealt to samaroo1 [2d]
Dealt to Overholdt [5h]
samaroo1 is low with [2d]
samaroo1 brings in for $1
Overholdt folds
joeslikk calls $1
desertfox81 completes it to $3
wahzzini folds
Strasse raises to $6
Horetore folds
samaroo1 folds
joeslikk calls $5
desertfox81 calls $3
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to joeslikk [8h] [9h]
Dealt to desertfox81 [Jd] [6c]
Dealt to Strasse [6s Ah 6h] [Kc]
Strasse bets $3
joeslikk calls $3
desertfox81 calls $3
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to joeslikk [8h 9h] [8d]
Dealt to desertfox81 [Jd 6c] [Qs]
Dealt to Strasse [6s Ah 6h Kc] [7d]
joeslikk bets $6
desertfox81 folds
Strasse calls $6
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to joeslikk [8h 9h 8d] [Tc]
Dealt to Strasse [6s Ah 6h Kc 7d] [4h]
joeslikk bets $6
Strasse calls $6
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Strasse [6s Ah 6h Kc 7d 4h] [8c]
joeslikk bets $6
Strasse raises to $12
joeslikk folds
Uncalled bet of $6 returned to Strasse
Strasse shows [Ah 8c 6h Kc 7d 4h 6s] a pair of Sixes
Strasse wins the pot ($64.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $67.50 | Rake $3
Seat 1: general strike is sitting out
Seat 2: joeslikk folded on 7th St.
Seat 3: desertfox81 folded on 5th St.
Seat 4: wahzzini folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: Strasse collected ($64.50)
Seat 6: Horetore folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: samaroo1 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: Overholdt folded on 3rd St.

I tried it again later in the session, using it on a guy I put on a flush draw, and also showing a pair of 9s. I tried it after I myself missed my own flush draw, and he ended up "thinking" for a while and called with just his 9s. As you can see, he definately didn't know what his own bet on the river was for, and was then too donkey to fold after I told him I could beat his hand.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject:

IMO, I think you are pretty right that it's hard to apply to low limit games. Most of the time, I'd have to think you'll see a call. Any transplanted NL donk is going to instacall, as well as any plain old donkey. I think it's a play that takes a good knowledge of your opponent to make. It also infinitely more effective if you are making the same play occasionally with very good hands, and get called. Overall though, I don't play this level so I can't really say, but I imagine there are definitely more profitable lines to take.

mathman1115 · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject:

Strasse · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject:

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