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Damian555
Three of a Kind
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 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: Funny hand |
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Was i right to be so aggressive with this hand?
Full Tilt Poker Game #3922456107: Table Play Chip 2405 - 25/50 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 12:28:33 ET - 2007/10/21
Seat 2: southern gentle (2,000)
Seat 4: FoldOrGoBroke (8,525)
Seat 5: lv bald eagle (1,150)
Seat 6: Damian555 (7,000)
lv bald eagle posts the small blind of 25
Damian555 posts the big blind of 50
southern gentle posts 50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Damian555 [Ad Ah Qd 3h]
southern gentle raises to 100
FoldOrGoBroke calls 100
lv bald eagle raises to 450
Damian555 raises to 1,550
southern gentle calls 1,450
FoldOrGoBroke calls 1,450
lv bald eagle calls 700, and is all in
*** FLOP *** [6c 3c Kh]
Damian555 bets 5,450, and is all in
southern gentle calls 450, and is all in
FoldOrGoBroke calls 5,450
Damian555 shows [Ad Ah Qd 3h]
southern gentle shows [8c 5h 5d 9h]
FoldOrGoBroke shows [Ac 8h 8s Qc]
lv bald eagle shows [Ks 9d Td Th]
*** TURN *** [6c 3c Kh] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [6c 3c Kh 3d] [4s]
Damian555 shows three of a kind, Threes
FoldOrGoBroke shows two pair, Eights and Threes
Damian555 wins side pot #2 (10,000) with three of a kind, Threes
southern gentle shows two pair, Fives and Threes
Damian555 wins side pot #1 (2,550) with three of a kind, Threes
lv bald eagle shows two pair, Kings and Threes
Damian555 wins the main pot (4,600) with three of a kind, Threes
southern gentle is sitting out
lv bald eagle is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17,150 Main pot 4,600. Side pot 1 2,550. Side pot 2 10,000. | Rake 0
Board: [6c 3c Kh 3d 4s]
Seat 2: southern gentle showed [8c 5h 5d 9h] and lost with two pair, Fives and Threes
Seat 4: FoldOrGoBroke (button) showed [Ac 8h 8s Qc] and lost with two pair, Eights and Threes
Seat 5: lv bald eagle (small blind) showed [Ks 9d Td Th] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 6: Damian555 (big blind) showed [Ad Ah Qd 3h] and won (17,150) with three of a kind, Threes |
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drtre1987
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Damian555 wrote: |
| I suggest not being so aggressive with two aces, its not that strong of a hand. |
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Damian555
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| it was double suited |
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LostOstrich
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Without being flippant, the fact remains that this was a play money game. people just won't fold as often as they ought, when there is essentially nothing at stake.
I'm not against play money per se, but when playing you must take into account the increased likelihood of drawing hands calling you down, irrespective of odds.
That being said, I'd be playing that hand pretty hard. |
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Dashir
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| drtre1987 wrote: |
| Damian555 wrote: |
| I suggest not being so aggressive with two aces, its not that strong of a hand. |
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He was absolutely right when he made that comment about your hand: Jd Ad 6d Ah. In this case, the 6d is not only a dangler, it chews up a flush out. So you have 3 cards that work and have lower chances to improve.
While his hand: Ad Ah Qd 3h, not only has two suits, it has both high and low straight possibilies. So much stronger all around. Kind of a joke that it was the 3 that won the hand - but it does illustrate how easy it is to beat Aces, even in his own hand.
I don't tend to push hard pre-flop. Omaha is too flop dependant. |
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drtre1987
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Dashir wrote: |
| drtre1987 wrote: |
| Damian555 wrote: |
| I suggest not being so aggressive with two aces, its not that strong of a hand. |
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He was absolutely right when he made that comment about your hand: Jd Ad 6d Ah. In this case, the 6d is not only a dangler, it chews up a flush out. So you have 3 cards that work and have lower chances to improve.
While his hand: Ad Ah Qd 3h, not only has two suits, it has both high and low straight possibilies. So much stronger all around. Kind of a joke that it was the 3 that won the hand - but it does illustrate how easy it is to beat Aces, even in his own hand.
I don't tend to push hard pre-flop. Omaha is too flop dependant. |
Are you serious? So you say that I should not get my money in preflop getting 2 to 1 on my money against two players? Sure omaha is "flop dependant", but to suggest not getting all in when you can with them as a favorite, especially in a CAP game like my HH was, is rediculous. If you pass up those opportunities, you are going to be losing EV. I can't even believe I have to defend my play. |
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Dashir
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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A) you were not the favorite even against the two junk hands that called you. B) if someone had a real hand, like a two-suiter with 4 corridinated cards, you'd a big dog.
If you think AAxx worth all your money, kiss it goodbye.
More than half of Omaha hands are won with straights or better. Those Aces will need help. Your hand didn't offer much support. |
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drtre1987
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| junkbutton wrote: |
drtre1987 shows [Jd Ad 6d Ah] - Winning Percentage: 38.19
mark800012 shows [Ac 8d Kd Th] - Winning Percentage: 21.51
acezhigh19 shows [6c 5h Qh 9s] - Winning Percentage: 39.92
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here are the odds that junkbutton posted in that thread of the hand we are discussing.
clearly, it is +EV to go all in on a 38% chance of winning when being offered 2 to 1.
Lets say I have $100 and do this bet. Then my EV is:
200(.38 ) - 100(.62) = +$14
im getting the best of it, averaging money in the long run, making a winning play, doing the right thing.....i don't know how else to say it. if you think i am dumb for moving all in with AAxx in clear +EV situations, then maybe you need to take a look in the mirror. |
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