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wwcd5215
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think CitizenCain's posts are very entertaining Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fog of War
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now the software isn't simply rigged against you. Now it's forcing other players into hands with crappy cards so they can draw out on you. This is beyond tin foil hat. This is "I picked up a hitchiking Elvis and he ran away with my wife after taking us all up to his saucer for the requisite nether probes."
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iraise2
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: random hands Reply with quote

excuse me one and all, but there is something here that even the skeptics should at least consider. We have all seen one player win all
the time over and over. Most of us have also had days when every hand
we played lost....just overwhelming odds against you. It is easy to see the possiblilities of a rigged computer program. You have to wonder how you bought in for $100, then have over $800 in three days, then three days later have to rebuy! And the bad beats still have you screaming.
Well, if you are or were ever a real poker player and played over 40 hours a week for years, then you know bad luck can run for quite some time. Just as a hot can last for years for some. Now don't get me wrong,
I'm not saying the computer doesn't have a mind of its own. Who the hell knows for sure? Its just that we have to consider what each other has to say. Look how many laughed at those who said there was a cheat on Absolute Poker..........and was there ever. That is another possiblity here. The site may be hacked, not by one player, but by a thousand!
Bottom line: there is to much money at stake for Full Tilt to be crooked.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: random hands Reply with quote

iraise2 wrote:
You have to wonder how you bought in for $100, then have over $800 in three days, then three days later have to rebuy!


That would just be bad management of your bankroll.
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cds tripaces
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ganseynogle wrote:
I think life is rigged, but not online poker.


One of the best "rigged" comments ever! AND ITS TRUE!!!
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CrazyLilThing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is amazing to me how so many easily assumes just because I, or others, have an opinion about the site not using a random generator that I am a bad poker player who is also a sore loser. While I have no intention of trying to impress anyone with my poker skills, I will share a little so the record can be set straight - good grief, I am a 47 year old grandmother whose dad taught me to play as a very young child. I play online for the enjoyment and practice, but I play in live tourneys and tables very often for the "real-thing" and am very rarely out-played. I get beat, who doesn't - afterall, this game is sometimes nothing more than the luck of the draw; but I have many more wins than losses, besides the money I've won I have trophies, plaques, numerous momentos from tourney wins. I also have way too many years invested in poker playing to be ignorant about it as some on here choose to call me. I know odds and percentages very well, and I do have more hours of playing time and hands invested on this site than I should as a very busy woman - so that theory isn't true either. Web designers can do anything they want with a computer site... including choosing who wins or looses and how long those 'streaks' last. But I enjoy playing, so I admit I wish they'd decide my loosing streak has lasted long enough Smile Either way, that is my opinion - as I've stated before I don't really care who likes it or agrees with it Laughing
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TheDustyMan
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Full Tilt Bad Beats Reply with quote

If FT do'es not use a "random generator" then the deck is stacked. If the deck is stacked you have been cheated. I too get rolled far too many times on the river when someone go'es for the one outer. I heavily raise on the turn & get run down.
But...I never seem to river anyone.
I now only play tourneys as am sick of blowing the lot on AA only to be called by 8 10 suited etc & then they flop the flush or straight. Dead set..how can you call & all in on crap like that.
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renegades8
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: Full Tilt Bad Beats Reply with quote

TheDustyMan wrote:
If FT do'es not use a "random generator" then the deck is stacked. If the deck is stacked you have been cheated. I too get rolled far too many times on the river when someone go'es for the one outer. I heavily raise on the turn & get run down.
But...I never seem to river anyone.
I now only play tourneys as am sick of blowing the lot on AA only to be called by 8 10 suited etc & then they flop the flush or straight. Dead set..how can you call & all in on crap like that.

You should be happy about that, it probably means you're usually getting your money in good.
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jmb52
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrazyLilThing wrote:
I have to agree that FT does not use a random generator. The losses I've had for a while now cannot be coincidence. If you know anything about poker at all, you know that mathematically you can’t loose over and over with the best hand, especially not to ridiculous beats. Don’t get me wrong, I know bad beats (or just simple bad luck) happens, more often than any of us would like. But I play in live tourneys all the time, and I am very good at matching odds… when this site says “tag, you’re it”, you might as well sit back and forget about it because the odds are no longer fair and even. Maybe I believe a little too much in statistics, but nevertheless, they’ve always proven correct for me so I’ll continue. And statistically, if a player plays every day, plays very well and time after time has the best hand – that same player doesn’t get beat by basically nothing every time they play for weeks at a time. Not randomly anyway! Don’t get me wrong – I’m not speaking as a ‘sore loser’, I play for money that matters against people I can see, not against a computer; but it is still very disheartening to play on here for enjoyment and practice only to have the computer decide it’s not your “turn” to win this month (or however long they keep you “tagged”). Nothing personal against FT however, I’ve been playing for years, and all of the sites are doing it more and more. But for those of you that may be fairly new at playing online – it wasn’t always like this… that is what is so sad about it!! And it doesn’t bother me if you copy my post into yours so you can call me an idiot or make fun of what I’ve said, I don’t come in here and read these things enough to know it if you do. After all, it is my belief that anyone who actually believes FT, or any online gaming site, is here for you and your enjoyment and not for your money doesn’t have anything to say that I would want to hear. Happy weekend and Happy Holidays to all!! Very Happy


eh?
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TheDustyMan
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I said "Come to my place for a game of poker" & the deck was adjusted "to generate interest". I would be shot.
It is cheating & not fair to not use random cards.

BTW my worst bad beat I had KK v AK..the flop K66..the turn 6..the river 6.
My 2nd worst bad beat I had AA v 77..the flop A77 the turn & river of course no A Embarassed

Can anyone top those.
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palgal
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you compare this online action to the poker rooms there is no question that the strings of bad beats you see on full tilt are far more than you will see in live action. I have to disagree with the naysayers that thee people don't know their odds.
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palgal
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you compare this online action to the poker rooms there is no question that the strings of bad beats you see on full tilt are far more than you will see in live action. I have to disagree with the naysayers that thee people don't know their odds.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrazyLilThing wrote:
It is amazing to me how so many easily assumes just because I, or others, have an opinion about the site not using a random generator that I am a bad poker player who is also a sore loser.


Because that's what the odds dictate. The overwhelming majority of those who complain that online poker is rigged are largely ignorant of odds and tend to be poor players who think pretty highly of themselves.

If this isn't true of you then you are the minority.


CrazyLilThing wrote:
<snip of list of poker credentials>

Web designers can do anything they want with a computer site... including choosing who wins or looses and how long those 'streaks' last. But I enjoy playing, so I admit I wish they'd decide my loosing streak has lasted long enough Smile Either way, that is my opinion - as I've stated before I don't really care who likes it or agrees with it Laughing


While it is possible to design a program that would choose who wins and who loses it is considerably more difficult than it would be to design a program that is legit.

It would be nigh to impossible to design such a program that could escape notice of the quants who religiously collect their hand histories for millions of hands.

And really, who is so special that FTP has time to program their site to follow certain players around?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

palgal wrote:
When you compare this online action to the poker rooms there is no question that the strings of bad beats you see on full tilt are far more than you will see in live action. I have to disagree with the naysayers that thee people don't know their odds.


Standard reply 1: where's your evidence?

The common answer is that you are relying on your memory and experience. In prior threads it has been pointed out that human memory is horribly flawed.

I mentioned quants in my earlier message. These folks live and breath numbers and look constantly at what is going on from a numbers point of view. They don't rely on their fallible human memory...they have tons of data. They aren't complaining about rigging.
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