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ElephantStomper
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 Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: 10 callers with AA...what to do? |
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I was playing 2/4 limit (trying to mix up my game and wanted to try something new) in a live casino game. I have AA acting first and i lead out for $4. 9 People call me. Flop comes 10 2 5 rainbow. I had no clue what to do with this hand   any help?
Errr...sorry..its 9 callers with AA...had 10 people at the table..obviously i cant count
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BigDBoreen
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Keep betting and raising since it is a rainbow flop with only 1 straight draw it is unlikely you are beat. Unless they called with 10 5 10 2 or 2 5 which are unlikely. Although someone may have hit trips you still have to play it strong since its limit. |
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griffinlord
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| IzanPoker wrote: |
| Keep betting and raising since it is a rainbow flop with only 1 straight draw it is unlikely you are beat. Unless they called with 10 5 10 2 or 2 5 which are unlikely. Although someone may have hit trips you still have to play it strong since its limit. |
Agreed. With that big of a pot you may not get many folders, but you want to make sure that everyone who does stay pays for their draws...and if you do get raised you can think about slowing down.
You have to remember that against 9 opponents you are still 30% to win preflop. Given the texture of the flop only the loosest of players likely hit and you could very easily be 40% to win at this point. If you've got nine people putting money in the pot and you are 40% to win betting is +EV. |
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POKERLECTRIC
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You lead out $4, and EVERYBODY at the table calls?
wow... |
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CitizenCain
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| POKERLECTRIC wrote: |
You lead out $4, and EVERYBODY at the table calls?
wow... |
The lowest limits live at casinos are quite literally like play chips for most of the players - they see poker as just like roulette or slots, or whatever. Pure luck that you keep pumping money into until you win. And they play accordingly bad... sometimes with some sweet move they saw Gus Hansen do on TV that one time. Dead serious. |
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ElephantStomper
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i know. It was ridiculous but that how the table was. I was the bb once and had every single person limp in and had 10 people see a flop. They were extremely loose and loved to call with ANY 2 cards. Okay. 2nd part of this story. After the rainbow flop i bet 2 dollars. I had 5 callers. Turn is a 8c putting the board as follows:
10c 2s 5h 8c
My next move is...? |
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BigDBoreen
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| The 8 really doesnt improve anyones hand, put a flush and straight draw out but not much more. Id keep pushing it. |
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griffinlord
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| IzanPoker wrote: |
| The 8 really doesnt improve anyones hand, put a flush and straight draw out but not much more. Id keep pushing it. |
I keep betting too, keeping in mind that T8 is a much more likely holding than T5 so one of your villains may have hit two pair. If they did you still have to call their raise and see the river. Especially since the guy holding JT or QT is likely going to raise the turn with TP.
In a game this loose a lot of folks will call a flop bet with a runner-runner flush draw and a bet should get all but the club draws out. Anyone with a pair or straight draw is calling the turn and you want them to because that is long-term money in your stack. |
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ElephantStomper
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| Okay. I bet $4 on the turn and guy next to me reraised to $8. 3 fold and the 2 behind them cold call. I call hoping to god that i hit my A. River is a Kh. My next move? |
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mathman1115
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| ElephantStomper wrote: |
i know. It was ridiculous but that how the table was. I was the bb once and had every single person limp in and had 10 people see a flop. They were extremely loose and loved to call with ANY 2 cards. Okay. 2nd part of this story. After the rainbow flop i bet 2 dollars. I had 5 callers. Turn is a 8c putting the board as follows:
10c 2s 5h 8c
My next move is...? |
After the flop, the flop is pretty dry. Because you are in EP, i would go for a check raise to try and get rid of a few players. Hope someone in mid to late postions bets and then raise, reducing the field. A check raise will surely get rid of low pp and hands that could draw to runner runner str8 or flush. You will still likely get action from any T, 5, or 2, or any gutshot str8 draw.
By leading right out, if one player starts to call, the rest will follow, giving them correct odds to draw to most anything. You have a strong hand, but its still just a pair, and will not likely hold up if even 4 or more see the river.
As played, with the 8 on the turn, i keep betting now. Hope the AA holds up. Any club, Ten, 8, or maybe even 2, and i probably check call the river.
Ok, you got raised. I call the raise. The only hand that crushes you is a set, and the pot is too big to fold now. Check call the river. This could easily be a Ten trying to reduce the field in case you have two overs. |
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ElephantStomper
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That makes a whole lot more sense math. As loose as the table was, i was the only one playing TAG. I had 2 raises that werent called at all. Just so happens everyone wanted to play this hand i guess. I didnt know how to play against these loose players and with 9 other people in the hand, my AA was horribly vulnerable to anything if i didnt hit the flop almost perfect. Well, here is the results as it may shock the rest of you.
After the Kh came down i checked, guy next to me led out for $4, the last 2 fold and i call. He flips over K10os to win with 2 pair to crack my A's. It sucked but thats the way it goes. Thanks for the input. |
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HuJwang
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The pot is so big and the flop is really dry. Go for a check raise to get people to fold weak draws and stuff, although you're not going to get anyone to fold gutshots or any pairs in a pot like this. You're just going to have to hope that your hand holds up by the river - most likely it won't, but given the size of the pot, it will hold up often enough for you to stay in.
One thing you may consider trying is check calling, and then check raising on the turn - this way you charge $8 to anyone trying to draw. In terms of improving your winning chances, it won't really. In these kinds of games, your goal is not to maximize your chances of winning the pots (because you can't make people fold), but rather maximizing the SIZE of the pots when you DO win. |
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ElephantStomper
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Yea Huj, when i look back at the hand, i see why the check raising would have been the much better play. I guess because i have a nl mindset and havent played limit all that much it was very difficult for me to see 9 people calling a tight raise. Thats the way it goes and now i know i need a TON of practice to play limit.  Until then, i will stay on my NL tables. |
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Le Schwartz
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I have pretty limited poker experience but I wanted to add my 2 big blinds ...
Whenever I get high wired pair in FLHE I brace myself to lose money ... Even though I'm a favorite with my aces in most cases, players in limit call with anything ... and to be honest it's fun to break a player with AA or KK ... I watched a friend of mine ... she's in the SB with AA, everyone folds to her, she raises the BB, and the BB re-raises, so she caps the betting and he calls.
Flop comes 7 3 and some other rag rainbow flop. She leads out, he raises, etc, and she puts him on some kind of marginal holdings, so calls him to the river, more rags and no improvements for her. BB has 73o and takes a decent-sized pot.
The preflop raise confused the hell out of me, though after him hitting 2 pair the rest of the hand made sense ... all that to say I've found raising premium hands alone won't put a player off their hand if they fall in love with their cards, especially in limit. Know before hand that you're high wired pair is going to be likely to be a money loser if neverfolds39483 connects with his rags. |
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cubbies760
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