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JBNYC
Full House
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Posts: 243
Location: New York City
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 Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: how can i continue to play here? |
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Full Tilt Poker Game #3721506714: Table Ozzie (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 23:38:24 ET - 2007/09/30
Seat 1: Circa-nyc ($363.05)
Seat 2: woodman65 ($198), is sitting out
Seat 4: DeresAlwaysHope ($194)
Seat 5: Pink DuffleBag ($292.10)
Seat 6: JBNYC ($76.20)
Pink DuffleBag posts the small blind of $1
JBNYC posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JBNYC [As Ts 5d Ac]
Circa-nyc folds
DeresAlwaysHope raises to $7
Pink DuffleBag calls $6
JBNYC raises to $28
DeresAlwaysHope folds
Pink DuffleBag calls $21
*** FLOP *** [2d 7d 4h]
Pink DuffleBag checks
JBNYC bets $31.50
Pink DuffleBag calls $31.50
*** TURN *** [2d 7d 4h] [6s]
Pink DuffleBag bets $126
JBNYC calls $16.70, and is all in
Pink DuffleBag shows [9h 6c Jc Th]
JBNYC shows [As Ts 5d Ac]
Uncalled bet of $109.30 returned to Pink DuffleBag
*** RIVER *** [2d 7d 4h 6s] [6h]
Pink DuffleBag shows three of a kind, Sixes
JBNYC shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Pink DuffleBag wins the pot ($157.40) with three of a kind, Sixes
JBNYC is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $159.40 | Rake $2
Board: [2d 7d 4h 6s 6h]
Seat 1: Circa-nyc didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: woodman65 is sitting out
Seat 4: DeresAlwaysHope (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Pink DuffleBag (small blind) showed [9h 6c Jc Th] and won ($157.40) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 6: JBNYC (big blind) showed [As Ts 5d Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes |
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drinkinmyblooze
High Card
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7
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Yeah thats a tough one. There are a lot of donks on-line hat will call you down with chips when they are running at a 20% chance or less of hitingtheir hand. All the books state that if you stay ahead and keep playing in that fashion, you will make money in the long run.
Not sure if you play MTT's or not, you may want to shift your focus from ring games to tourneys depending on your bank roll. |
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dumwaldo
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 1656
Location: look to the stars
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry but you played that hand HORRIBLY!!!!
Take that hyper aggressive, my aces have just got to win, back to the hold em table because that does not fly in omaha.
The answer to your question of how you can still play here is to learn how to play better.
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cubbies760
Drawing Dead
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 12157
Location: Sailing Away...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree with dumwaldo. Your Aces are unlikely to improve and pushing hard on the flop is going to make you suseptable to being beat.
The board is draw heavy as well as you'd be almost drawing dead against a set. There is a flush draw as well as multiple straight draws. Your gutshot may not even be live in a case like this.
Don't expect your PF raise to push a $300 stack away from seeing the flop.
Granted, your opponent also played this hand badly but you did too. |
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Kappa-KoReal
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Joined: 27 Aug 2007
Posts: 125
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Dude...
take your money off full tilt and run!
people cheat and they don't pay you for withdrawals. |
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bigwheell
Royal Flush
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 830
Location: North Dakota
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Played full rolled and ride out the variance. guys like this make you all your money...
Do not complain about being 80-20 in a hand...Look below
Omaha Hi Simulation
820 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 2d7d4h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AsAcTs5d 81.83% 671 0
9h6cJcTh 18.17% 149 0
Play within your bank roll and you will do fine against these guys...
20-30 buy in's is a pretty standard roll for PLO($4000-$6000 for this level)
Drop down to where you have sufficiant money to cover the variance
and be happy with 80-20 all the time...
Take a look at my graph for October. I am 4 tableing PLO50 6max right now.
You can still make decent money at the lower levels...
PLO is a great game. Stay within your roll and post lots of hands for advice, and you will do alright.
The above posters did a good job telling you what you did wrong with the hand. AA isn't bulletproof in PLO...
Most of the time with your hand, when raised prior to my turn, I will call and hope for trips or flush draw or some type of a big combo draw. Only then will I think about getting all my chips in the middle with an AA hand...
good luck... |
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ShortStack03
Three of a Kind
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 81
Location: Omaha, NE
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Seat 6: JBNYC ($76.20)
Started the hand with $76 and put $28 in on preflop. The rest *should* go in on the flop 100% of the time here. Unlucky results. |
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dumwaldo
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Joined: 23 May 2006
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Location: look to the stars
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Seat 6: JBNYC ($76.20)
Started the hand with $76 and put $28 in on preflop. The rest *should* go in on the flop 100% of the time here. Unlucky results. |
That advice is really bad. Far better advice would be to not put $28 into the pot preflop with such a bad starting hand.
There are a few different 'systems' for selecting starting hands in Omaha. there are 6 possible two card combinations in a starting omaha hand. The 'system' that I use is to look for starting hands that have at least three good 2 card starting hands. This is the minimum requirement for me to play a hand.
AA5T does not meet my minimum requirements. There is a pair of aces and a suited AT in there and thats it. I will admit that if I was playing and I got this hand in this position I probably would have called and justified it to myself by counting the AT twice since it is a draw for a broadway straight or for a nut flush. But I certainly would not raise in this situation.
I would call and look to flop big. Once that flop comes down and I don't see a third ace, two spades or two of the three cards I need for broadway then I am gone.
Raising preflop was quite simply a wrong move. This was a situation where a call is absolutely the most aggressive action that should even be considered. Pushing in a big raise after whiffing the flop would only compound an already existing mistake.
I know that some people might think his play was not that bad because they know the opponents holdings and they can run the stats how much of a favorite his hand was preflop but that stuff means... well it means nothing. Omaha is a drawing game and preflop means nothing at all in a drawing game where people are going to stay in and are going to draw. Playing a single pair for all your money when you have nothing to draw for but a 4 outer gut shot wheel draw is a great way to lose money in Omaha.
Seriously, a pair of aces in the hole in Omaha is like a pair of 4's in the hole in Holdem.
peace out,
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Wurtzyboy
High Card
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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Yeah you just don't seem to be getting the point. You DON'T put $28 in preflop with this hand, like a few others who know what they are talking about here have already said. Aces really aren't THAT good in omaha, unless of course you actually hit the flop with them. And especially here online, if you re-raise preflop like that to someone who has already raised, then they are not likely to fold, especially in omaha.
And also, $76 at a $1-$2 table is a recipe for going broke. I mean committing $28 pre flop pretty much means you will be puttting the rest of your stack in. And despite the fact that this guy made a VERY loose and donkish call, he'd probably come up with the defense that you just didn't have enough to push him off the hand. In fact he probably put you on exactly what you had, considering how you played it on a flop such as that.
So reload, make sure you have enough to roll with the other people at the table. Sure you can get lucky and double up pretty fast, but never solely count on that. |
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CitizenCain
Three Pair
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
Posts: 2474
Location: Behind a huge stack of chips.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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What everyone's overlooking here is that after losing 35k (I think that's what you said), playing hold 'em, you decided to pick an even crazier game where you could lose more money (O hi is just insane, no two ways about it), and then post here asking how you could possibly keep playing here, when it's pretty obvious that you'll keep playing here because you can't stop.
Junkie needs his fix. Keep playing like this, though, and you'll be a junkie running dry when the bank and the loan sharks come for their 100 grand + interest.
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| And despite the fact that this guy made a VERY loose and donkish call, he'd probably come up with the defense that you just didn't have enough to push him off the hand. In fact he probably put you on exactly what you had, considering how you played it on a flop such as that. |
Double suited, 3 to a wrap is loose... very loose... but I don't think I'd go so far as to call it donkish. He's gotta figure he's got a good chance of hitting a nice flop and absolutely crushing some player who obviously can't fold his pair, so, why not? This is O hi here, and what better hand to make those winning straights or flushes with than a double suited wrap? |
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acesfullokings9
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Joined: 30 Sep 2006
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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It's pretty obvious that you'll keep playing here because you can't stop.
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You won't stop so stop **** complaining. |
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dodge these
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Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Granted the guy with aces also played it poorly, but to say his opponent is not a donk... come on let's look at teh whole hand. I can understand teh call of the reraise prflop, though that is VERY lose given the stak sizes, but how can anyone justify teh post flop call    He called a half pot bet that put the raiser almost all in with no pair and no draw so no matter what the raiser has he has to know his J high is way behind, with absoulutely no ipled odds left. That doesn't even scream donk, but rather someone that has too much money and is trying to donate. |
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CitizenCain
Three Pair
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
Posts: 2474
Location: Behind a huge stack of chips.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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It's pretty obvious that you'll keep playing here because you can't stop.
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You won't stop so stop **** complaining. |
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Kappa-KoReal
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Joined: 27 Aug 2007
Posts: 125
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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The world needs more REAL casinos.... distributed evenly throughout the land... SO we can all leave this hell of online poker and live in harmony.
For Realz. |
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