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chillbot

Is it possible to calculate odds without knowing what the other person has? I've never really understood how to calculate hi-lo hands anyway.

Was thinking about this hand for a while:

I had A Spade

3

4

5

The flop was J Spade

6

2

The turn was Q Spade

I was in this hand with one other person and he was betting out the entire time so I'm sure he had a somewhat respectable hand. So what are the odds at this point that I hit one of my numerous outs?

7 Spade

5

4

2

or 3

would guarantee me the high pot. More than likely any other spade, too. Possibly any heart as well, and possibly any 3, 4, or 5 for a straight.

Any ace, 3, 4, 5, 7, or 8 would give me at least a tie for the nut low, right?

Now that I'm thinking about it maybe I don't have as many outs as I think because I was counting hi and lo outs separately.

As you probably guessed, I hit a brick on the river and folded to a substantial bet without finding out what my opponent had.

Zophar · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject:

Let's see. First off, you should be jamming this pot from the flop on. On the turn you have this for draws:
Subtracting any paired cards:
14/44( 32%) to make a straight or nut flush or nut straightflush and either 2 blockers to a higher heart flush. plus an additional 6 outs for the nut low(45%) or

20/44(45%) for the straight and two flush draws, plus 4 more outs for nut low(54%).

I don't think an instance would arise where you don't call here, let alone raise. Like I said in the beginning, you were hopefully jamming this hand.

chillbot · Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:25 am Post subject:

Thanks for the response, I was thinking this forum might be dead.

I'm too lazy to dig up the HH, but as I remember it in my head (I've been replaying it over and over), it went something like this: he bet the pot on the flop, I reraised the pot, he called. He bet about 3/4 the pot on the turn, and I just called. The river was the 6 Diamond

which was obviously a terrible card. He bet a little more than 1/2 the pot, essentially putting us both all in, and I folded. What can I beat?

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