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freeroller30 · Three of a Kind Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 86

can it be agreed tht omaha is a more skillful game than hold'em?

DevilfishFan · Royal Flush Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 906

It's so much easier to put someone on a hand in Omaha. And you can play nothing but the nuts and win at the end of the day. But in a short handed game, it's a completely different story. I have no idea.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject:

Omaha is harder, yes.

berlin32 · Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject:

I agree that it is more of a skill game than NL HE. NLHE has become a "push-fest" in my opinion. Limit O8 is not a push-fest, although PL Omaha and PL O8 can become real aggressive. My point is that any moron can push his pocket 8s in a NL HE Sit N Go against somebody's AK preflop and win their race. Is that skill? Not really.

I think Omaha and O8 require more patience and more skillful play. Just my opinion.

rwlw4960 · Three of a Kind Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 78

I always get screwed when I play omaha... Omaha you need more skill than Holdem, I think

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

I think NLHE is much more of a head-game then Omaha is. I'd have to think that the gap between expert and good NLHE players is much greater then the gap between expert and good Omaha players (especially in Omaha 8/b.)

However, both games tend to make you rely on different skills. To say which is tougher would probably come down to a judgment call.

AlexScottUK · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject:

I strongly disagree that Omaha requires more skill in general than Hold'em (at the same betting structure at least).

There are too many hidden cards in Omaha, meaning it isn't possible to make detailed judgements about what your opponent may have, no matter how skillful you are. Also, somebody has the nuts too often for there to be many subtle battles and excellent bluffs exchanged between marginal hands, as you see in high level Hold'em.

Also, even after you have skillfully maneuvered your opponent into putting all his chips in with the worst hand, he can draw out on you much more easily in a typical confrontation than he can in Hold'em, so your skill is worth less overall.

Which requires more skill - Fixed Limit Stud with a medium ante, or Pot Limit Omaha? Now that is a much more difficult question if you ask me.

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

i believe omaha does require a bit more skill than hold em... hold em has become a preflop, all-in pushfest during tournaments... but in omaha, most of the play comes postflop... reads become more important, and folding good hands such as flushes or straights are necessary... hold em is a more skillfull game at the highest levels, but since we're down near the bottom of the poker totum pole, i would have to say omaha requires more skill down here...

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

jpeterson007 · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject:

I'd have to say omaha is more of a waiting game and more of a thinking game than holdem. You have to be able to see all the angles, and wait until you have the best hand. I also think there is less room for error in omaha than in holdem. You can make a play with second pair in holdem and sometimes come out the winner but rarely in omaha can you win with a semiweak hand. But thats just my two cents.

bright star · Four of a Kind Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 269

I generally hold my own in the hold'em phase, win in the Razz, Stud, and Stud8 phases, and lose most of you chips during the Omaha phase.

However, I took that to mean that I need more practice with Omaha, not that it required more skill.

Zophar · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't say that Omaha is a higher skilled game, just a different set of skills used in a different circumstance. It is by far a postflop game the majority of or almost every hand. Starting hands are completely different, so one must familiarize themselves with this new set of starting hands. Once post flop play begins, I feel Hold 'em and Omaha are very similar because of the use of community cards and a basic understanding of what you could be facing based on the board, betting patterns and drawing options. I do relate Omaha to Stud as well. For me, they both are games where you play for larger hands like straight's, flush's, etc., as opposed to Hold'em, where a pair often wins and on occasion, even a high card will take it down. I think that the more familiar that you are with games other than hold'em, the better you will be at omaha.

Pokernome135 · Three of a Kind Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 86

I believe that almost all poker games require some set of skills, one of the biggest and domonant skills being reads (knowing when your beat expecially), and being able to lay a hand down when do make the correct read. Holdem players have a hard time adjusting to Omaha because you can flop the nuts (a set/straight/flush) and have to lay it down on the very next card. I strongly believe that Omaha takes a considerably larger amount of diciplin because of this, but by no means is a more "skillful" game. In holdem, there is an extra dimension that Omaha does not have. That being the infamous bluff. Bluffing in Omaha is extream difficult to do in a full game, but in Holdem, mental wars can be exchanged, and some interesting bluffs can be pulled.

More or less, from my experiance, Omaha is a game of cards and draws, Holdem is a game of people and position.

monkyman63 · High Card Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1

In NL holdem you read the other player
In omaha you read the board

In NL you would get blinded off waiting for the nutz, you must outplay the others.

In Omaha its all about the nutz, and how may outs you have to there AND how many outs they have to get there.

risingalan · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject:

I always felt that omaha was about 90% luck and 10% skill. In omaha you either have a hand or you don't. Plain and simple. You usually can't bluff people off in omaha unless they just completely missed. There are just too many possibilities out there.

NL Holdem is more 30% luck and 70% skill, atleast in my eyes. I guess if you are skilled at reading people and calculating odds, then holdem would be easier for you then omaha. I prefer Holdem because that is were I make money, I go to omaha to just blow off steam or have some fun not thinking about money and winning.

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