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BarkyBree Pair
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 40
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: Boy, was he p*ssed! |
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My opponent was really ticked off after this hand, basically the "donkey" accusations were flying.
I am relatively new to Omaha H/L, but am not a pure newbie and didn't see anything horribly wrong with my play. By all means, let me have it if I'm off base here ...
Remember this was a limit game, and all that connotes ...
Out of decency, I changed his name.
Full Tilt Poker Game #3365374426: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (25733336), Table 1 - 200/400 - Limit Omaha H/L - 23:10:36 ET - 2007/08/25
Seat 2: green_beret21 (800), is sitting out
Seat 3: assblaster4000 (2,063)
Seat 5: OPPONENT (3,441)
Seat 6: CJBEAR (2,565)
Seat 7: Morthos (847)
Seat 8: BarkyBree (2,271)
Seat 9: qm2ss (1,513)
green_beret21 posts the small blind of 100
assblaster4000 posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BarkyBree [Ah Qh 9c 3c]
OPPONENT raises to 400
CJBEAR folds
Morthos folds
BarkyBree calls 400
qm2ss has 15 seconds left to act
qm2ss folds
green_beret21 folds
assblaster4000 folds
I called the raise for a few reasons:
-- OPPONENT was playing pretty aggressive all night, I thought I could catch him playing w/crap
-- AQ isn't too bad, suited is a tad better.
-- A3 is a good low, worth a flop
-- I like to see a lot of flops in O H/L
*** FLOP *** [Kd 2h 4c]
OPPONENT bets 200
BarkyBree calls 200
Sure, why not call. I have a straight draw, and it's likely I'll end up with nuts low, but it's not worth betting him out. Yeah, it's not very aggressive, but my hand didn't seem worth many chips at this point.
*** TURN *** [Kd 2h 4c] [7d]
OPPONENT bets 400
BarkyBree calls 400
I clearly have nuts low now. I suppose I could get counterfeited, but the odds are pretty slim that'll happen. Usually when I have nuts low, but no high hand, I just call to claim half the pot and don't mess around. Especially head's up with a guy who was showing high-hand strength from the beginning.
*** RIVER *** [Kd 2h 4c 7d] [Kh]
OPPONENT bets 400
BarkyBree calls 400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OPPONENT shows [As 8h Kc Ac] three of a kind, Kings, for high and 8,7,4,2,A, for low
BarkyBree shows [Ah Qh 9c 3c] a pair of Kings, for high and 7,4,3,2,A, for low
OPPONENT wins the high pot (1,550) with three of a kind, Kings
BarkyBree wins the low pot (1,550) with 7,4,3,2,A
The limits are now 250/500
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,100 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd 2h 4c 7d Kh]
Seat 2: green_beret21 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: assblaster4000 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: OPPONENT showed [As 8h Kc Ac] and won (1,550) with HI: three of a kind, Kings; LO: 8,7,4,2,A
Seat 6: CJBEAR didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Morthos didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: BarkyBree showed [Ah Qh 9c 3c] and won (1,550) with HI: a pair of Kings; LO: 7,4,3,2,A
Seat 9: qm2ss (button) didn't bet (folded)
At this point, OPPONENT started acting the jackass, basically accusing me of being a stupid player because I didn't fold after his pre-flop raise. He laid into me for at least three more hands. Clearly he had his mind set on the whole pot from the get-go, instead we basically split the blinds.
The funny bit: he said I'd never finish "in the money".
I won it all. Love it when that happens . |
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craigo6x Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2729 Location: Cursing the relievers in the bullpen
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| The only problem I see is you have nothing invested in the pot already, so you are now calling off almost 1/5 of your stack preflop with 2nd nut low, and a high drawing hand. After the flop, I think I would have raised. I don't know if he's capable of laying down aces, but now you have nut high and low draws and you need to scoop the pot, not split the blinds. |
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Strasse Forum Ego
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4368 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
| The only problem I see is you have nothing invested in the pot already, so you are now calling off almost 1/5 of your stack preflop with 2nd nut low, and a high drawing hand. After the flop, I think I would have raised. I don't know if he's capable of laying down aces, but now you have nut high and low draws and you need to scoop the pot, not split the blinds. |
He has no high draw, except the gutshot wheel draw. Like craig, I might be hesitant to call PF w/ the call being such a large portion of your stack. |
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craigo6x Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2729 Location: Cursing the relievers in the bullpen
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Strasse wrote: |
| craigo6x wrote: |
| The only problem I see is you have nothing invested in the pot already, so you are now calling off almost 1/5 of your stack preflop with 2nd nut low, and a high drawing hand. After the flop, I think I would have raised. I don't know if he's capable of laying down aces, but now you have nut high and low draws and you need to scoop the pot, not split the blinds. |
He has no high draw, except the gutshot wheel draw. Like craig, I might be hesitant to call PF w/ the call being such a large portion of your stack. |
True-but I'm not putting the preflop raiser on 35 or 36-he's either AA, KK or A2. I'm figuring a wheel is going to scoop. |
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Strasse Forum Ego
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4368 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
| Strasse wrote: |
| craigo6x wrote: |
| The only problem I see is you have nothing invested in the pot already, so you are now calling off almost 1/5 of your stack preflop with 2nd nut low, and a high drawing hand. After the flop, I think I would have raised. I don't know if he's capable of laying down aces, but now you have nut high and low draws and you need to scoop the pot, not split the blinds. |
He has no high draw, except the gutshot wheel draw. Like craig, I might be hesitant to call PF w/ the call being such a large portion of your stack. |
True-but I'm not putting the preflop raiser on 35 or 36-he's either AA, KK or A2. I'm figuring a wheel is going to scoop. |
yes, of course a wheel is going to scoop, but we only have 4 outs to it. |
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Zophar Moderator
Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 3584 Location: East Coast
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Granted his starting hand isn't a monster, but it's not too bad. Nut flush and other high potential, second nut low draw potential. If I knew I was specifically against AAxx, especially the AAxx of UTG, I'm more likely to call. I actually dislike the UTG raiser's hand even more than this guys hand.
The blind to chip stack ratio is high, so if you hit a flop at all you are pretty much commited, so I do understand the hesitancy from some. However, if you are up against AAxx, you will have an easy opportunity to stack them on a favorable flop.
There's some good discussion in the thread below. The OP final tabled the LO8 tourney at the WSOP this year and several of the responders are excellent LO8 players. Of note, it is refreshing to see someone of the OP's caliber questioning their own game.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=11729399&an=0&page=2&gonew=1#UNREAD |
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BarkyBree Pair
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 40
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| After the flop, I think I would have raised. I don't know if he's capable of laying down aces, but now you have nut high and low draws and you need to scoop the pot, not split the blinds. |
I only felt it was worth calling because I did only have the four outs to make the straight, and the rainbow flop killed my flush. Plus I haven't gotten up the nerve yet to raise w/low in this game. I've been burned far too many times trying to play for low.
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| I actually dislike the UTG raiser's hand even more than this guys hand. |
A crude observation I've made in this game is people tend to overvalue pocket pairs. It's true, if you flop a set, you're set up to have a monster hand, but if post-flop you're just sitting on your original pocket pair, it's time to re-evaluate your position. Thoughts? |
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craigo6x Message Board Junkie
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2729 Location: Cursing the relievers in the bullpen
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| After the flop, I think I would have raised. I don't know if he's capable of laying down aces, but now you have nut high and low draws and you need to scoop the pot, not split the blinds. |
I only felt it was worth calling because I did only have the four outs to make the straight, and the rainbow flop killed my flush. Plus I haven't gotten up the nerve yet to raise w/low in this game. I've been burned far too many times trying to play for low.
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| I actually dislike the UTG raiser's hand even more than this guys hand. |
A crude observation I've made in this game is people tend to overvalue pocket pairs. It's true, if you flop a set, you're set up to have a monster hand, but if post-flop you're just sitting on your original pocket pair, it's time to re-evaluate your position. Thoughts? |
This is why I said raise post flop. He doesn't know if you are drawing or made two pair or trips yourself. He's got a pair of aces-you have a number of possibilities and position. By calling the 200, if you don't hit on 4th street, you either have to call 400 or fold. By raising, chances are you get to see the turn and river for the xtra 200 bet on the flop. |
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BarkyBree Pair
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 40
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| That's an excellent point, thanks for that. |
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spike420211 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: check ur car trunk... it's dark in here, i know that
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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nothing 2 add 2 the analysis but:
i remember playing with a guy named CJBEAR at the old Planet Poker.
If it is you, CJ, spike.420 says hi. |
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