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Dekuman · High Card Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

Just got 17k chips in this MTT then I lose to this donkey who doesnt know what two re raises mean in Omaha

Full Tilt Poker Game #3256470915: Double Stack $5 + $0.50 (24817121), Table 12 - 80/160 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 0:05:33 ET - 2007/08/15
Seat 1: dekuman (17,860)
Seat 2: 8 of a kind (3,398)
Seat 3: Brother Lui (2,050), is sitting out
Seat 4: RuthieT1972 (8,830)
Seat 6: ABGuerra (6,770)
Seat 7: hater79 (11,722)
Seat 8: shahizee (5,970)
Seat 9: FullTiltJoker (16,570)
FullTiltJoker posts the small blind of 80
dekuman posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dekuman [Ah Ks 5s Ac]
8 of a kind folds
Brother Lui folds
RuthieT1972 has 15 seconds left to act
RuthieT1972 raises to 480
ABGuerra calls 480
hater79 calls 480
shahizee folds
FullTiltJoker folds
dekuman raises to 2,480
RuthieT1972 calls 2,000
ABGuerra raises to 6,770, and is all in
hater79 folds
dekuman raises to 17,860, and is all in
RuthieT1972 calls 6,350, and is all in
dekuman shows [Ah Ks 5s Ac]
RuthieT1972 shows [As Kc Kh Ad]
ABGuerra shows [4h 9d 9h 4d]
Uncalled bet of 9,030 returned to dekuman
*** FLOP *** [2d 4c Qs]
*** TURN *** [2d 4c Qs] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [2d 4c Qs Jd] [2h]
dekuman shows two pair, Aces and Twos
RuthieT1972 shows two pair, Aces and Twos
dekuman ties for the side pot (2,060) with two pair, Aces and Twos
RuthieT1972 ties for the side pot (2,060) with two pair, Aces and Twos
ABGuerra shows a full house, Fours full of Twos
ABGuerra wins the main pot (20,870) with a full house, Fours full of Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24,990 Main pot 20,870. Side pot 4,120. | Rake 0
Board: [2d 4c Qs Jd 2h]
Seat 1: dekuman (big blind) showed [Ah Ks 5s Ac] and won (2,060) with two pair, Aces and Twos
Seat 2: 8 of a kind didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Brother Lui didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: RuthieT1972 showed [As Kc Kh Ad] and won (2,060) with two pair, Aces and Twos
Seat 6: ABGuerra showed [4h 9d 9h 4d] and won (20,870) with a full house, Fours full of Twos
Seat 7: hater79 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: shahizee (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: FullTiltJoker (small blind) folded before the Flop

Once I stop losing to the tards I think I will profit a little more.

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:18 am Post subject:

By clicking the call button, ldo.

Dekuman · High Card Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

Oh really? I thought you had to be just really bad at Omaha to go all in with 9944 aginst two raises..........

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:43 am Post subject:

But it was DOUBLE SOOTED!

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1923

Maybe he figured that you both had aces since you were both raising so much, which would give him a pretty good odds for winning a three way pot. In fact, he was 44% to win the hand (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/omaha#). That is pretty good odds to win, especially in a 3 way all in getting 2 to 1 on his money. But yeah, this is a pretty bad beat considering he only wins a measely 44% of the time. Do you complain when an AK outdraws your 66 in holdem too?

drose12345 · High Card Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

drtre is rite ur the donk for cryin as if AA lost to 72 in my mind thats a pretty nice call especially in a 5 dollar multi table tourny with 9944. Maybe if u slowed down for two seconds and saw a flop you would not hit and folded to the winning hand

HuJwang · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject:

There's pretty much no such thing as a bad beat in omaha.

dodge these · Straight Flush Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 457

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

Double suited, two pair starting hands almost always have decent equity in a preflop all-in situation. He'll make a set by the river over 36% of the time, and he'll make a flush by the river over 14% of the time.

It's a gambling move, for sure, and I don't think I would have done it in his situation, with over 39 BBs left in his stack if he folds to the second raise (calling the first raise is just standard set mining -- the stacks are deep enough to give him the implied odds he needs). But his pre-flop push is not a donkey move either. If he actually does put both raisers on AA, it's actually a hugely +EV move for him (you guys are holding each others' outs).

Dekuman · High Card Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

nm...

BigDBoreen · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:09 am Post subject:

With a raise and a reraise I put you both on at least KK or AA and somewhat suited. So I have double suited and double pair If I were a gambling man Id call.

Also first off you aonly have A A K 5 once suited so you are weak to a few hands and with the one guy reraising you you have to think you are dominated. Also the guy didnt call you with a worse hand he reraised all in over both of you maybe it was a move. Or gambling time.

Also the odds were
Ah Ks 5s Ac - 9.78% win 36.41% tie
As Ad Kc Kh - 9.59% win 36.41% tie
9d 9h 4d 4h - 44.21%win

So Id be liking his hand at the time.

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