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skeeter1114
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 Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: Was I Ok for raising here with the nuts? |
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Full Tilt Poker Game #3186052180: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (23811172), Table 4 - 500/1000 - Limit Omaha H/L - 23:08:49 ET - 2007/08/07
Seat 1: Ayms (5,907)
Seat 2: skeeter1114 (7,832)
Seat 3: tpaznboyz (6,980)
Seat 4: Vblade6 (5,428)
Seat 5: Kronos22 (19,647)
Seat 6: Poe AC (2,631)
Seat 7: ClipperJockey (3,853)
Seat 8: trond98 (6,320)
Seat 9: water54 (1,668)
skeeter1114 posts the small blind of 250
tpaznboyz posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skeeter1114 [7h Ks Kd 4d]
Vblade6 folds
Kronos22 calls 500
Poe AC has 15 seconds left to act
Poe AC is sitting out
Poe AC has timed out
Poe AC folds
ClipperJockey folds
trond98 calls 500
water54 folds
Ayms folds
skeeter1114 calls 250
tpaznboyz checks
*** FLOP *** [Jh Kh 8c]
skeeter1114 bets 500
tpaznboyz folds
Kronos22 calls 500
Poe AC has reconnected
Poe AC has returned
trond98 raises to 1,000
skeeter1114 raises to 1,500
Kronos22 folds
trond98 raises to 2,000
skeeter1114 calls 500
*** TURN *** [Jh Kh 8c] [3d]
skeeter1114 bets 1,000
trond98 raises to 2,000
skeeter1114 raises to 3,000
trond98 raises to 3,820, and is all in
skeeter1114 calls 820
trond98 shows [6h Th Ad Qs]
skeeter1114 shows [7h Ks Kd 4d]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Kh 8c 3d] [Qd]
trond98 shows a straight, Ace high, for high
skeeter1114 shows three of a kind, Kings, for high
trond98 wins the pot (14,140) with a straight, Ace high
The limits are now 600/1,200
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14,140 | Rake 0
Board: [Jh Kh 8c 3d Qd]
Seat 1: Ayms (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: skeeter1114 (small blind) showed [7h Ks Kd 4d] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: tpaznboyz (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Vblade6 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Kronos22 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Poe AC didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: ClipperJockey didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: trond98 showed [6h Th Ad Qs] and won (14,140) with HI: a straight, Ace high
Seat 9: water54 didn't bet (folded)
Since I'm just getting used to Omaha H/L strategy, was Trond justified for maxing every round here with his draws? I lean towards "no", but heavily biased too. |
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DJ Ninjah
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| If this was Omaha Hi, then I would feel better about his play. Since it's not, he's better off check-calling, definitely not capping. On your end, you did make a mistake. Sets really suck in O/8. You are better off considering them more of a strong draw than anything. It's ok to bet them when 3-handed or HU, but you should not be capping. You aren't going to price out draws in O/8, so I'd avoid attempting to protect your set on draw heavy boards. |
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skeeter1114
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I guess my question here, is that since I'm basically a hold'em player starting to play some other games, why not bet the nuts? Is it because this is such a drawing game? I guess that's the question that I keep having in a situation like this. I looked at K-K as the nuts on both the flop and turn, and figured if he's going to keep raising, I might as well get my money in with the best hand. I really don't understand his capping of every round, and that's where part of my problem lies.
As far as this hand, Trond had been playing quite aggresively too in previous hands, and thought he may have been stubborn and had a lower set, with no raise pre-flop. |
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craigo6x
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| skeeter1114 wrote: |
I guess my question here, is that since I'm basically a hold'em player starting to play some other games, why not bet the nuts? Is it because this is such a drawing game? I guess that's the question that I keep having in a situation like this. I looked at K-K as the nuts on both the flop and turn, and figured if he's going to keep raising, I might as well get my money in with the best hand. I really don't understand his capping of every round, and that's where part of my problem lies.
As far as this hand, Trond had been playing quite aggresively too in previous hands, and thought he may have been stubborn and had a lower set, with no raise pre-flop. |
While I don't agree with DJ to a certain extent here, I do agree that sets don't often hold in O8. I wouldn't raise the flop for a different reason. The fact that its hi/lo is not relevant because there is no low or draw on the flop. The problem I have is two broadway/two hearts on the flop. As you see, your chasers aren't going anywhere. You were up against a heart draw and a str8 draw. The turn is where you raise if neither hand is completed. This way they get one draw and it costs them the big bet to hit. |
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DJ Ninjah
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Craig, you misread my post a little. The first sentance in my first post was talking about the villians play. I don't like that he capped with a partial wrap and the third nut flush draw here.
I think even with the draw heavy board you can play the set for two bets, and call a third, but you definitely want to avoid caps at all costs.
As far as normal Omaha strategy, it's not wise to pound sets in a limit. Your opponents aren't going to be making a mistake by calling. In this case in particular, you guys have the same exact equity on the flop and turn, even though you have the "nuts". Also this is much different from pot limit, where in most cases it would be a good idea for you to do something like three bet the pot. |
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