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skeeter1114
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 Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: Did I or Assassin play this wrong? |
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Full Tilt Poker Game #3152394323: FTP Forum Weekly (24014564), Table 2 - 25/50 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:38:06 ET - 2007/08/04
Seat 1: A55A55IN (4,078)
Seat 2: Flying_Kiwi (1,764)
Seat 3: skeeter1114 (4,328)
Seat 4: kyblue007 (1,410)
Seat 7: DC11GE (1,073)
Seat 9: skidrow41 (9,922)
Flying_Kiwi posts the small blind of 25
skeeter1114 posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skeeter1114 [Qc Kc 3s Kd]
kyblue007 folds
DC11GE folds
skidrow41 folds
A55A55IN raises to 175
Flying_Kiwi folds
skeeter1114 has 15 seconds left to act
skeeter1114 raises to 550
A55A55IN raises to 1,675
skeeter1114 raises to 4,328, and is all in
A55A55IN calls 2,403, and is all in
skeeter1114 shows [Qc Kc 3s Kd]
A55A55IN shows [Ad Kh Tc Td]
Uncalled bet of 250 returned to skeeter1114
*** FLOP *** [Jc Js Ts]
*** TURN *** [Jc Js Ts] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Js Ts 5s] [4s]
skeeter1114 shows two pair, Kings and Jacks
A55A55IN shows a full house, Tens full of Jacks
A55A55IN wins the pot (8,181) with a full house, Tens full of Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8,181 | Rake 0
Board: [Jc Js Ts 5s 4s]
Seat 1: A55A55IN (button) showed [Ad Kh Tc Td] and won (8,181) with a full house, Tens full of Jacks
Seat 2: Flying_Kiwi (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: skeeter1114 (big blind) showed [Qc Kc 3s Kd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 4: kyblue007 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: DC11GE didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: skidrow41 didn't bet (folded)
Was this a proper play by either of us? I'm still unfamiliar with Omaha, so I won't be surprised if I find out I played this wrong. |
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Flying_Kiwi
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, although you've got KK you're basically getting all-in PF with a 3-card hand. |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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I'd need a read here. KKxx is fine all-in against the typical range of a complete maniac. However, if this guy's been solid and still raises out from early position, I'd probably just call for pot control and re-evaluate on the flop.
Also with no reads I'm not thrilled with the re-raise by him either. |
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Big Slick x13x
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think you played it all that well, but A55A55IN played absolutely horrible. He has a hand I like playing a lot but with that much action I'd probably just call your reraise preflop and look for a huge draw or my set. |
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skeeter1114
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Big Slick x13x wrote: |
| I don't think you played it all that well, but A55A55IN played absolutely horrible. He has a hand I like playing a lot but with that much action I'd probably just call your reraise preflop and look for a huge draw or my set. |
I think his re-raise is where I have a problem at. I'm not doubting I may have played it horribly, as I'm just getting used to Omaha Hi, so I know I'm bound to make many mistakes.
My other question is why not try to get all your money in preflop in Omaha with something like kings or aces? This is probably my hold'em background talking, but there are still very few hands that could beat it. Is it not good to move all-in pre-flop because Omaha is such a drawing game? |
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Kloaked Spirit
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| skeeter1114 wrote: |
| My other question is why not try to get all your money in preflop in Omaha with something like kings or aces? This is probably my hold'em background talking, but there are still very few hands that could beat it. Is it not good to move all-in pre-flop because Omaha is such a drawing game? |
Well in Hold'em, AA and KK are very strong hands, and big favorites against any other hand. Also against multiple callers they hold up a much better chance of winning a multi-way pot. In Omaha, AAxx and KKxx aren't nearly as strong of a favorite preflop, and fare worse unimproved in a multi-way pot.
If you can get it all in with AAxx preflop, then go for it. Heads up it will be the favorite (except for rare occasions.) Plus you can't be outplayed on the flop since you're all-in. It's much better to be all-in preflop with AAxx then to see a flop and then grossly overplay AAxx on a board that didn't hit you well (which many beginning players tend to do.) Just expect being all-in preflop to be high variance since you aren't such a strong favorite.
With KKxx, it tends to be more opponent and stack based. For example, many people in that hand history you posted would've flipped over another KKxx or AAxx hand against you. That tends to be the range of most people 3-potting you OOP. Even in this situation, your edge was equivalent to having a AJo vs KQs matchup. If you're short stacked, then I say get it all in. With deep stacks, you'd have to take your opponent and your current situation into consideration more. |
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Pil Sung
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Neither hand is worth putting all your money in preflop, IMO |
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