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drtre1987
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 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: 4 way all in with top set |
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I made a weak call preflop w/ KK43 and flopped top set. The preflop raiser moved all in w/ AAxx (like I read him for). So I reraised to force anyone else who wanted to call to go all in. Suprisingly the other two players that saw the flop called me too. I thought I was in a lot of trouble. But I had two opponents on flush draws, the AAxx had one of his aces out and another guy with a wrap draw had two of his straight cards out. So I was looking pretty decent for a 4 way all in, but lost of course. I'll win one of these huge pots in Omaha someday. It was just a crazy hand.
Full Tilt Poker Game #3119416713: Table Ramrod (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2:10:53 ET - 2007/08/01
Seat 1: drtre1987 ($12.80)
Seat 2: LisaG1 ($4.05)
Seat 3: Clyde Sheppard ($3.85)
Seat 4: lippy294 ($5)
Seat 5: Louise850 ($2.70)
Seat 6: NIUMIKE ($2.90)
LisaG1 posts the small blind of $0.05
Clyde Sheppard posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to drtre1987 [Kh Kd 4c 3h]
lippy294 calls $0.10
Louise850 folds
NIUMIKE raises to $0.45
drtre1987 calls $0.45
LisaG1 calls $0.40
Clyde Sheppard calls $0.35
lippy294 calls $0.35
*** FLOP *** [9h Ks 8s]
LisaG1 checks
Clyde Sheppard checks
lippy294 checks
NIUMIKE bets $2.25
drtre1987 raises to $9
LisaG1 calls $3.60, and is all in
Clyde Sheppard calls $3.40, and is all in
lippy294 folds
NIUMIKE calls $0.20, and is all in
drtre1987 shows [Kh Kd 4c 3h]
LisaG1 shows [4s As Jd 8h]
Clyde Sheppard shows [Kc Qd Ts Js]
NIUMIKE shows [5h Ah 7c Ac]
Uncalled bet of $5.40 returned to drtre1987
*** TURN *** [9h Ks 8s] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [9h Ks 8s 6c] [Qh]
drtre1987 shows three of a kind, Kings
LisaG1 shows a pair of Eights
drtre1987 wins side pot #2 ($0.35) with three of a kind, Kings
Clyde Sheppard shows a straight, King high
Clyde Sheppard wins side pot #1 ($2.60) with a straight, King high
NIUMIKE shows a straight, Nine high
Clyde Sheppard wins the main pot ($10.85) with a straight, King high
LisaG1 is sitting out
NIUMIKE is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.30 Main pot $12.05. Side pot 1 $2.85. Side pot 2 $0.40. | Rake $1.50
Board: [9h Ks 8s 6c Qh]
Seat 1: drtre1987 (button) showed [Kh Kd 4c 3h] and won ($0.35) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: LisaG1 (small blind) showed [4s As Jd 8h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: Clyde Sheppard (big blind) showed [Kc Qd Ts Js] and won ($13.45) with a straight, King high
Seat 4: lippy294 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Louise850 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: NIUMIKE showed [5h Ah 7c Ac] and lost with a straight, Nine high |
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BigDBoreen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| This is why omaha is stupid. because you have soo many draws as well as made hands at the same time. Noone ever folds and unless you have pretty much the nuts after the river you wont win. |
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spike420211
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Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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bummer... but a necessary evil in PLO, like having your rockets cracked in NLHE
keep at it, someday you'll boat up one of those[cha-ching!] |
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dodge these
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that is one of those sputs wehre you know you are in a coinflip if you get more than a caller despite holding the nuts, but at the same time you are getting much better odds than you need to play the coinflip... I just can't seem to win any of these or always miss when I haev teh wrap with flush draw. On this particular hand clyde actually should have every reason to expect to win with the wrap and str8 flush draw, so ou can't blame him, but the other 2 are just the typical donkeys and you will find them even as you move up to the 2/4 level, which is as far as I got before taking a big downswing. |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| IzanPoker wrote: |
| This is why omaha is stupid. because you have soo many draws as well as made hands at the same time. Noone ever folds and unless you have pretty much the nuts after the river you wont win. |
I disagree with the comment that Omaha is stupid. It is played completely different from hold'em and requires a serious understanding of the game and advanced reading skills. It is far from a TPTK game. |
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dodge these
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Zophar wrote: |
| IzanPoker wrote: |
| This is why omaha is stupid. because you have soo many draws as well as made hands at the same time. Noone ever folds and unless you have pretty much the nuts after the river you wont win. |
I disagree with the comment that Omaha is stupid. It is played completely different from hold'em and requires a serious understanding of the game and advanced reading skills. It is far from a TPTK game. |
Actually I am winning a significantly higher percentage of the time calling a full pot half buyin bet with TPTK then I am when getting it all in with top set on the flop. |
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Tarvin
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Dodge,
Short handed or full ring? Which stakes? Flop texture? I've been playing short handed 0.10-0.25 PLO recently, and you can get away with it occasionally but I wouldn't really recommend it as a consistent strategy. You really have to lay down "big" hands every so often, like bottom set or a 3rd nut straight. |
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dodge these
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Tarvin wrote: |
Dodge,
Short handed or full ring? Which stakes? Flop texture? I've been playing short handed 0.10-0.25 PLO recently, and you can get away with it occasionally but I wouldn't really recommend it as a consistent strategy. You really have to lay down "big" hands every so often, like bottom set or a 3rd nut straight. |
Usualy about 5 handed 1/2 level. I don't usualy make such calls either and have a good read on teh other player when I do. My sickest call was about $50 bet at the .5/1 level with only MID pair K kicker. The guy berated me for about half an hour. The he pushed all in on just a Q high flush draw against my top set and of course caught it and proceeded to berate me some more for paying him off. But that happens quite often which is why I say I have a higher EV making the calls on the river with just a pair than getting a simmilar ammount in with the nuts on the flop. |
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eskimo41
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: hi |
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| thats y i dont play omaha anymore cause in omaha you dont really dont know whats going on |
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mathman1115
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| IzanPoker wrote: |
| This is why omaha is stupid. because you have soo many draws as well as made hands at the same time. Noone ever folds and unless you have pretty much the nuts after the river you wont win. |
Frustrating is a better word, but not stupid. Omaha is a great strategy game where odds are the most important. More times than not your draw to the best hand is more important than any made hand on the flop.
You flopped the nuts here, but with 3 others in the hand and that board, you have to know you are going to be up againts at least one strong draw, and maybe two (flush and/or str8).
You played the hand fine here, but if the stacks (of your opponents) were deeper, i like to just call here and see a turn. If it isn't scary, then all my chips go in the middle. If i fill up, i let them cheaply (or freely) hit their draws to stack them on the river. Big difference when there is one card to come as opposed to two. |
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BigDBoreen
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| Zophar wrote: |
| IzanPoker wrote: |
| This is why omaha is stupid. because you have soo many draws as well as made hands at the same time. Noone ever folds and unless you have pretty much the nuts after the river you wont win. |
I disagree with the comment that Omaha is stupid. It is played completely different from hold'em and requires a serious understanding of the game and advanced reading skills. It is far from a TPTK game. |
Hahah wow Zophar you are right I said this when I was mad. I guess stupid is the wrong term. I really meant when you see top set Holdem players get stary eyed but in Omaha draws can actually be favourite at times. So you have to play it tottally different and usually have a very good hand on the river to win because few people will fold good draws. |
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