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Here are 4 hands that I'd like anyone's input on. Could I have played any of these differently, or was I destined to lose all of them?

Hand #1

Full Tilt Poker Game #3077906573: Forum Challenge (23435022), Table 1 - 80/160 - Limit Omaha H/L - 0:13:43 ET - 2007/07/28
Seat 1: predator06 (5,080)
Seat 2: cubbies760 (4,920)
cubbies760 posts the small blind of 40
predator06 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cubbies760 [Jh 5h 3s 4h]
cubbies760 raises to 160
predator06 raises to 240
cubbies760 calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2h 6h]
predator06 bets 80
cubbies760 calls 80
*** TURN *** [Kh 2h 6h] [Qc]
predator06 checks
cubbies760 bets 160
predator06 raises to 320
cubbies760 calls 160
*** RIVER *** [Kh 2h 6h Qc] [5s]
predator06 bets 160
cubbies760 raises to 320
predator06 raises to 480
cubbies760 raises to 640
predator06 calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cubbies760 shows [Jh 5h 3s 4h] a flush, King high, for high and 6,5,4,3,2, for low
predator06 shows [8d Ah 3c Th] a flush, Ace high, for high and 6,5,3,2,A, for low
predator06 wins the high pot (1,280) with a flush, Ace high
predator06 wins the low pot (1,280) with 6,5,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,560 | Rake 0
Board: [Kh 2h 6h Qc 5s]
Seat 1: predator06 (big blind) showed [8d Ah 3c Th] and won (2,560) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,5,3,2,A
Seat 2: cubbies760 (small blind) showed [Jh 5h 3s 4h] and lost with HI: a flush, King high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2

Hand #2

Full Tilt Poker Game #3077931708: Forum Challenge (23435022), Table 1 - 80/160 - Limit Omaha H/L - 0:16:14 ET - 2007/07/28
Seat 1: predator06 (6,120)
Seat 2: cubbies760 (3,880)
cubbies760 posts the small blind of 40
predator06 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cubbies760 [2h 8h 8d As]
KronX (Observer): nh
cubbies760 raises to 160
KronX (Observer): not
predator06 calls 80
*** FLOP *** [3c Ts 6s]
predator06 checks
cubbies760 bets 80
predator06 calls 80
*** TURN *** [3c Ts 6s] [8s]
predator06 checks
cubbies760 bets 160
predator06 calls 160
*** RIVER *** [3c Ts 6s 8s] [2s]
DraNDead (Observer): Yahooooo!
predator06 bets 160
cubbies760 calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
predator06 shows [4s 5d 3d Jd] a straight, Six high, for high and 6,5,4,3,2, for low
cubbies760 shows [2h 8h 8d As] three of a kind, Eights, for high and 8,6,3,2,A, for low
Kent Hrbek (Observer): feit
predator06 wins the high pot (560) with a straight, Six high
predator06 wins the low pot (560) with 6,5,4,3,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,120 | Rake 0
Board: [3c Ts 6s 8s 2s]
Seat 1: predator06 (big blind) showed [4s 5d 3d Jd] and won (1,120) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 6,5,4,3,2
Seat 2: cubbies760 (small blind) showed [2h 8h 8d As] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Eights; LO: 8,6,3,2,A

Hand #3

Full Tilt Poker Game #3078256760: Forum Challenge (23435022), Table 1 - 150/300 - Limit Omaha H/L - 0:49:52 ET - 2007/07/28
Seat 1: predator06 (2,865)
Seat 2: cubbies760 (7,135)
predator06 posts the small blind of 75
cubbies760 posts the big blind of 150
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cubbies760 [6c Th Jc 9c]
predator06 raises to 300
cubbies760 calls 150
*** FLOP *** [8c Ts Ah]
cubbies760 checks
predator06 bets 150
cubbies760 calls 150
dollarmtn (Observer): I did
*** TURN *** [8c Ts Ah] [7s]
KronX (Observer): its the end that matters
cubbies760 checks
predator06 bets 300
cubbies760 raises to 600
predator06 calls 300
*** RIVER *** [8c Ts Ah 7s] [Jh]
cubbies760 bets 300
predator06 calls 300
dollarmtn (Observer): was peeing off the back porch
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cubbies760 shows [6c Th Jc 9c] a straight, Jack high, for high
predator06 shows [Ad Kd Qh As] a straight, Ace high, for high
predator06 wins the pot (2,700) with a straight, Ace high
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,700 | Rake 0
Board: [8c Ts Ah 7s Jh]
Seat 1: predator06 (small blind) showed [Ad Kd Qh As] and won (2,700) with HI: a straight, Ace high
Seat 2: cubbies760 (big blind) showed [6c Th Jc 9c] and lost with HI: a straight, Jack high

Hand #4

Full Tilt Poker Game #3078301373: Forum Challenge (23435022), Table 1 - 200/400 - Limit Omaha H/L - 0:54:34 ET - 2007/07/28
Seat 1: predator06 (2,815)
Seat 2: cubbies760 (7,185)
cubbies760 posts the small blind of 100
predator06 posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cubbies760 [Qc 7d Jh Th]
cubbies760 calls 100
predator06 checks
*** FLOP *** [Jd 9s Js]
predator06 bets 200
cubbies760 calls 200
*** TURN *** [Jd 9s Js] [Kd]
khanwoman (Observer): P
khanwoman (Observer): R
khanwoman (Observer): E
khanwoman (Observer): D
predator06 bets 400
khanwoman (Observer): A
khanwoman (Observer): T
cubbies760 calls 400
KronX (Observer): he's scured
khanwoman (Observer): O
khanwoman (Observer): R
*** RIVER *** [Jd 9s Js Kd] [3d]
predator06 bets 400
skeeter1114 (Observer): hey hey, what do you say, (the) cubbies are going to win today
cubbies760: cooler
cubbies760 calls 400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
predator06 shows [4h Kc 8d Td] a flush, King high, for high
cubbies760 shows [Qc 7d Jh Th] a straight, King high, for high
predator06 wins the pot (2,400) with a flush, King high
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,400 | Rake 0
Board: [Jd 9s Js Kd 3d]
Seat 1: predator06 (big blind) showed [4h Kc 8d Td] and won (2,400) with HI: a flush, King high
Seat 2: cubbies760 (small blind) showed [Qc 7d Jh Th] and lost with HI: a straight, King high

Hand #1.....I slowed down PF when he bumped back, and only liked the flop marginally for the high, but having the low draw (and hitting it) made me like it more. I question my final raise on the river...at that time, I suspected the very hand that he had.

Hand #2.....Once the turn came, I cannot see getting away from this hand.

Hand #3.....Marginal PF call, I know....but with the chip lead and middle suited cards, if the flop doesn't come low, I'm probably not in bad shape.

Hand #4.....Notice my chat on the river, I knew what happened, but I just couldn't fold.

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4122 Location: ROK

I'd say those are all just coolers, I can't believe he didn't raise you on the river in hand 3. The only way he's getting quartered is if you hold exactly KQ and two low cards other then an A, 7, or 8. So you lost the minimum there. On the fourth hand you should have put in a raise on the turn. You held trips a good kicker and the nut straight on a no low board, heads up that's worth a raise, at a full ring you'd have to just call. Other then that nice hands. Did you end up winning?

cubbies760 · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject:

firehawk01 · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject:

I think that you diagnosed the hands well in the Op.

Hand number 1 get rid of river raises and just smooth call.

The lead bet/ CK Re-Raise/ Bet always gets my guard up, most of the time either its a big flopped and or a outright bluff in which case you dont wanna raise the monster and a bluff can t call the raise, therefore making it un-needed.

Hand 2 your not getting away from that there

Hand 3 I prolly fold pre, but im tightter than a Nun on Sunday, once u see the flop I think ur playing and at that point u lost the minimum as Slick said.

Hand 4 While I agree with Slick that the proper play is to raise the turn, after seeing just these hands it might be safe to say that his client might be short a FOLD button( I missed the match so have no idea as to how the rest played out you have to go on ur own read there), In which case u saved urself a bet by not raising.

On the other hand another way to play it would be to raise his flop lead, and if he decides to contine with his meager holding there and call ur raise, at that point a turn raise should definately take the pot down.

U played them all well, and knew what you were up againt most of the time, trust your gut and go with it, its right more often than u think.

Strasse · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject:

Good analysis. I would probably raise OTF in hand number 1, to get an idea for where I'm at. I probably would also fold PF on hand 3, and raise either OTF or OTT in hand 4. Hand number two is just disgusting.

Zophar · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject:

Hand 1 I think was played a little fast. You have position, but not much else. I think you're a dog or even at best against most hands, especially any ace. With a preflop raise, you're really committing yourself to see the turn in most situations. At this point w/hands like these I like to keep it small. A raise OTF would've help you define your hand a bit better, saving you some bets when they get bigger. You had so much resistance, it should've slowed you down.

Hand 2-Ugh. Not much you can do about that one.

Hand 3-In situations like this I actually fold alot preflop. After you got involved, you were stuck and played it fine. The reason I fold this is you have a monster chiplead. The short stack is playing aggressively into you, thus probably pretty strong and willing to commit. With such a marginal hand facing the aggression, you have fold equity. No need to give him any chips. I like to put the pressure on my opponent when they're short, forcing tough decisions for their chips, which can likely lead to folds. Just because you are getting the pot odds to make a call, it isn't always advisible to make it.

Hand 4-I might check this flop about half the time, raise it the other. You have to raise the turn though. No more free rides.

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