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Honest_Rob · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: Hot off the presses

Please critique.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3074183666: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (23481825), Table 1 - 30/60 - Limit Hold'em - 17:51:22 ET - 2007/07/27
Seat 1: 33wildbill33 (1,440)
Seat 2: gambler321 (1,500)
Seat 3: bobf0822 (1,155)
Seat 4: hosssgh (1,335)
Seat 5: Honest_Rob (1,365)
Seat 6: therivertat (1,740)
Seat 7: Jungle12 (1,545)
Seat 8: Congaree (1,920)
Congaree posts the small blind of 15
33wildbill33 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [9h 9d]
gambler321 calls 30
bobf0822 calls 30
hosssgh folds
Honest_Rob raises to 60
therivertat folds
Jungle12 folds
Congaree calls 45
33wildbill33 calls 30
gambler321 calls 30
bobf0822 calls 30
*** FLOP *** [8c 3d 8h]
Congaree checks
33wildbill33 bets 30
gambler321 calls 30
bobf0822 folds
Honest_Rob raises to 60
Congaree calls 60
33wildbill33 folds
gambler321 folds
*** TURN *** [8c 3d 8h] [5d]
Congaree checks
Honest_Rob bets 60
Congaree calls 60
*** RIVER *** [8c 3d 8h 5d] [Kd]
Congaree checks
Honest_Rob checks

cubbies760 · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject:

It looks as if you played it well, I don't see him checking the river with anything less than your 9988.

It would be kind of sad if he was chasing the whole way with something like K3, though. Sad

honkythunder · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject:

Way too many minraises. I liked the first 2 or 3 of them but the last bunch was too many. Funny that everyone else was minraising too. It's almost like you were playing limit.

honkythunder · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject:

In all seriousness I think he hit his K on the riv and wanted to check/raise you. My guess is AK or KQ for villian.

roxx · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject:

I think I would have been slightly more agressive with the pre-flop limpers and made it a raise of about 3.5 x the BB or 105. After seeing that kind of flop, a minimum bet normally means their chasing so i would have reraised to the pot before the initial minmum bet, or 525 if all people called pre-flop. At that point I have to put any callers on having an Q 8s-A 8o and would have to slow down.

In this situation however your allowing a player to draw rather cheaply to a higher 2 pair, a set, a straight or even a flush on the river, not to mention the horrible chance he might have K 8.

All in all I think I would have been more aggressive pre-flop.

By the way how did it end?

-roxx

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fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject:

The only thing I would do differently there is limp preflop. You have 2 limpers ahead of you and in tourneys the play is generally a lot looser, so I would go for the family pot and set mine. With 2 already in, chances are it's going to be a family pot and if any overcards flop you could be in trouble not knowing where you are. {Does anyone else have the same problem with TT in 3way and 4way NL games?}

As for the river, I'd definitely be firing there in a cash game, but you may be right to save your stack for a better opportunity in this instance. It's a tough one, but from the way the villain has acted, I'm going to put him on A3s and I'm gonna take another shot. His total range includes everything from 2 broadway cards to a 3, or I've even seen players call down trips without raising. Overall I think betting again on the river is the thing to do here.

Having said all that, I never play tournament LHE outside HORSE, so that post may be entirely wrong.

craigo6x · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject:

If he was on AK he'd have repopped it preflop. KQ or KJ is not out of the realm, but I think he was on an ace chase. A 10 is my guess.

I like the check behind. No value in betting there.

honkythunder · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject:

craigo6x · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:16 am Post subject:

GripHoldOn · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:49 am Post subject:

My guess is in line with everyone else: He hit his King

But despite that, I still think I like betting the river. He probably would have raised earlier if he had trip 8s, so he's probably on high cards or a smaller pair than your nines going to the river.

Anyone else agree/disagree? I'm not sure.

Riddim · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:22 am Post subject:

I'm not sure if I like the raise PF and I'd definitely bet the river as played. Anything that's called you down all the way is going to call another bet and you're way ahead of that range. People can't stand folding in limit, so punish them.

Edit: As for what he had this time, who cares? Being results oriented is useless.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:42 am Post subject:

Here's the rest of the hand. Thanks for the advice. To those that said I should have just limped preflop please feel free to elaborate more on why. Is it primarily because there were two limpers in front of me? I posted a hand similar to this a while ago where I had 88 and limped after one limper and many said to raise. Now with two limpers some are saying to just limp also. Is the one extra limper the difference?

As for the river I didn't think betting served much purpose there. He may have had AQ, AJ or a 3 and possibly a smaller pocket pair but he also could have had an 8 or a K or a backdoor flush or some kind of boat with 33 or something. It's hard to tell a lot of times with these guys.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3074183666: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (23481825), Table 1 - 30/60 - Limit Hold'em - 17:51:22 ET - 2007/07/27
Seat 1: 33wildbill33 (1,440)
Seat 2: gambler321 (1,500)
Seat 3: bobf0822 (1,155)
Seat 4: hosssgh (1,335)
Seat 5: Honest_Rob (1,365)
Seat 6: therivertat (1,740)
Seat 7: Jungle12 (1,545)
Seat 8: Congaree (1,920)
Congaree posts the small blind of 15
33wildbill33 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [9h 9d]
gambler321 calls 30
bobf0822 calls 30
hosssgh folds
Honest_Rob raises to 60
therivertat folds
Jungle12 folds
Congaree calls 45
33wildbill33 calls 30
gambler321 calls 30
bobf0822 calls 30
*** FLOP *** [8c 3d 8h]
Congaree checks
33wildbill33 bets 30
gambler321 calls 30
bobf0822 folds
Honest_Rob raises to 60
Congaree calls 60
33wildbill33 folds
gambler321 folds
*** TURN *** [8c 3d 8h] [5d]
Congaree checks
Honest_Rob bets 60
Congaree calls 60
*** RIVER *** [8c 3d 8h 5d] [Kd]
Congaree checks
Honest_Rob checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Honest_Rob shows [9h 9d] two pair, Nines and Eights
Congaree shows [8s 6s] three of a kind, Eights
Congaree wins the pot (600) with three of a kind, Eights
The game is now 40/80 Limit Omaha H/L
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600 | Rake 0
Board: [8c 3d 8h 5d Kd]
Seat 1: 33wildbill33 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: gambler321 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: bobf0822 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: hosssgh didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Honest_Rob showed [9h 9d] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 6: therivertat didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Jungle12 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Congaree (small blind) showed [8s 6s] and won (600) with three of a kind, Eights

Honest_Rob · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:43 am Post subject:

Riddim didn't your sig say running good yesterday?

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:07 am Post subject:

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