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This hand generated a lot of discussion at the table so I figured I'd post it. Please discuss the play and throw in any comments you want.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3067674995: Message Board Junkies (22896019), Table 3 - 150/300 Ante 25 - Limit Razz - 22:24:00 ET - 2007/07/26
Seat 1: Strasse (1,330)
Seat 2: Zerbet (1,365)
Seat 3: critterbugg (3,116)
Seat 4: Honest_Rob (3,425)
Seat 7: craigo6x (3,590)
Seat 8: smokindog (2,120)
Strasse antes 25
Zerbet antes 25
critterbugg antes 25
Honest_Rob antes 25
craigo6x antes 25
smokindog antes 25
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Strasse [7h]
Dealt to Zerbet [Ah]
Dealt to critterbugg [6h]
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s 5c] [3s]
Dealt to craigo6x [3h]
Dealt to smokindog [5d]
Strasse is high with [7h]
Strasse brings in for 50
Zerbet folds
critterbugg completes it to 150
Honest_Rob raises to 300
craigo6x folds
smokindog folds
Strasse folds
critterbugg calls 150
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to critterbugg [6h] [Jd]
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s 5c 3s] [Ks]
critterbugg bets 150
Honest_Rob raises to 300
critterbugg calls 150
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to critterbugg [6h Jd] [4c]
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s 5c 3s Ks] [7s]
critterbugg bets 300
Honest_Rob raises to 600
critterbugg calls 300
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to critterbugg [6h Jd 4c] [Ac]
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s 5c 3s Ks 7s] [6s]
critterbugg bets 300
Honest_Rob calls 300
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s 5c 3s Ks 7s 6s] [7d]
critterbugg bets 300
Honest_Rob calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
critterbugg shows [Jh 4s 6h Jd 4c Ac 3c] J,6,4,3,A
Honest_Rob shows [7d 5c 3s Ks 7s 6s 2s] 7,6,5,3,2
Honest_Rob wins the pot (3,800) with 7,6,5,3,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,800 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Strasse folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: Zerbet folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: critterbugg showed [Jh 4s 6h Jd 4c Ac 3c] and lost with J,6,4,3,A
Seat 4: Honest_Rob showed [7d 5c 3s Ks 7s 6s 2s] and won (3,800) with 7,6,5,3,2
Seat 7: craigo6x folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: smokindog folded on 3rd St.

UFO1947 · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject:

I'm no Razz expert, but it seems like you were behind after 4th (without looking at the final result)

however when the 4 and A came down for him. I'm guessing you believed he paired one of them or maybe both of them.

Is that similar to what you were thinking?

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4135 Location: ROK

NH Rob. I like the raise on fourth and fifth. It gave you the information you wanted and you got a lot of chips in the pot while you were ahead.

PokerAA · Message Board Junkie Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 1610

Pete D · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject:

Rob- I thought you played it well. Maybe more aggressive than some others would have played it, but you put good pressure on.

When critterbugg did not re-raise you on 5th St, you figured to be in the lead... in other words, it told you he did not have 23, 25 or 35 in the hole. The ace on 6th for critter was a little scary (a 72 or 73 in the hole would have had you beat), but there's no way you can fold at that point, you're obviously pot committed... putting in 600 more to win 3200.

Assuming critter had 43 in the hole, the only thing I see wrong w/ this hand is that critter probably should have folded to your raise on 5th... then he would have lost only 900 chips on this hand instead of 1800.

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

The 4th street raise was ill-advised in my opinion. If your opponent has a hand even as weak as (8-7)-6-J, he should be reraising you here. With that hand, he's a 48-52 underdog, so the reraise is going to cost him on average about 0.04 small bets, or 0.02 big bets, but it could buy him a free card later in the hand. (I'm assuming that you wouldn't 4-bet here, that would be absolute spewage if you did.)

Also, unless you're just insane, your raise on 4th street just defined your hand for your opponent. I think that the information that you give by raising on 4th street is more valuable (to your opponent) than the information that you get from his reaction.

Just my opinion...

From 5th street on, I'm fine with your play. Your opponent was spewing chips on 6th and 7th street though.

Pete D · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject:

I could do w/out the 4th St raise, but either way, it doesn't seem critical considering it's a small bet.

But the 5th St raise is riskier, imo. If Rob is beat here, he gets re-raised another large bet. If he's ahead (which he was), he'd often get his opponent to fold... but I'd want my opponent to chase his runner-runner, so I probably don't raise on 5th.

It turns out his opponent took the raise on 5th to be a bluff... or maybe the raise on 4th led critter to believe Rob was tilting (from an earlier hand?) and had nothing... if so, it worked just as Rob planned it all along Smile

Honest_Rob · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:05 am Post subject:

Thanks for the analysis guys.

UFO-Well technically I was behind on 4th but we both bricked. I knew I had the best hand on 3rd so when we both bricked on 4th I still had the best hand. Neither of us was planning on using 4th street in our final hand so the difference between a King and a Jack here is negligible. Unless we keep bricking it won't play.

On 5th I raised to make him define his hand. I had a feeling he may have paired the 4 and when he didn't reraise me I was pretty sure he did. I thought he may have paired the Ace on 6th also but at that point I was OK with slowing down in case he didn't and because I know he's not folding at this point and I don't want to give away extra chips.

Pete D

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

Honest_Rob

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:50 am Post subject:

Critter is a donk. He thinks the chance of hitting a flush draw is 50%. If anyone should've been folding, it was him.

Lucky_Bub · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:59 am Post subject:

I wouldn't have raised on 4th either.

renegades8 · Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject:

When I went through the hand, the only thing that really stuck out to me is that maybe you were behind on 5th street, not sure about the raise. Then again, there's a good chance he paired up, whch it appears that he did.

sgspecial · Flush Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 147

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