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JaketheStake
Straight Flush
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: Books on Stud Hi |
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Just wondering what were some good books on Stud. I can get general reviews online, I'm looking for player input on books they personally have found helpfull.
I'm more interested in Stud Hi than Hi/Low, but if the book has both I'll look into it. So far I've been applying a lot of Sklansky's Theory of Poker, which is working well, but I'm looking for more. Some help on starting hand selection and things like that would be nice. Also, any tools like PokerStove for Stud would be great for post-game analysis.
I'm actually kicking ass in all the games I've been in, but I definately have leaks I need to close.
~Jake |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't help you with the books, since I'm assuming that you've heard of seven card stud for advanced players already if you've been looking at general reviews. When it comes to equity calculation there's a site that does it for a bunch of games, including 7stud: http://twodimes.net/poker/ |
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Strasse
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Location: Austin, TX
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The Super System chapter on stud is excellent! Perfect read for the beginning player. The only other stud book that I've read personally is 7 card stud for the advanced player. It is a great read, but is a little advanced. Also, a lot of the plays in it won't really work at the low limits. Still a good read though, as it does have universally applicable information. Definately read the Super System chapter though. |
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spike420211
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Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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Location: Scranton, PA [u friggin a]
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Strasse wrote: |
| The only other stud book that I've read personally is 7 card stud for the advanced player. It is a great read, but is a little advanced. Also, a lot of the plays in it won't really work at the low limits. |
however, if the low-limit game in question is REAL TIGHT [lotsa 2-handed
and 3-handed pots by 5th street], then "advanced player" works well. I
personally don't own SuperSystem [yet], but "poker for dummies"
[Lou Krieger] covers the nuts-and-bolts fundamentals ok for both stud and stud/8, especially for low limits. |
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Strasse
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Location: Austin, TX
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| spike420211 wrote: |
| Strasse wrote: |
| The only other stud book that I've read personally is 7 card stud for the advanced player. It is a great read, but is a little advanced. Also, a lot of the plays in it won't really work at the low limits. |
however, if the low-limit game in question is REAL TIGHT [lotsa 2-handed
and 3-handed pots by 5th street], then "advanced player" works well. I
personally don't own SuperSystem [yet], but "poker for dummies"
[Lou Krieger] covers the nuts-and-bolts fundamentals ok for both stud and stud/8, especially for low limits. |
I've never seen an online low limit game like that though. EVER. |
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spike420211
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Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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Location: Scranton, PA [u friggin a]
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| the .50-1.00 and up @ stars especially on off-peak hours |
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Strasse
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Location: Austin, TX
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| spike420211 wrote: |
| the .50-1.00 and up @ stars especially on off-peak hours |
All ive played is .5/1 through 3/6 on full tilt, and they are all pretty loose. I've watched teh 5/10 a lot though, and it seems to get tighter there. |
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DownriverRick
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Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 204
Location: Downriver, of course
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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To add to what has been said, I found that the stud sections in Hellmuth's "Play Poker Like the Pro's" are pretty good as a primer.
Like the OP, I was recently looking for a good book on stud and ran across "7 Card Stud: 42 Lessons - How to Win at Medium & Lower Limits" by Roy West. If you're not familar with him, he is a columnist for Card Player magazine. I just finished this book and it's an easy read, with good info, especially if you're more of a stud novice than an expert. The only thing about this book is that I've never seen it at a bookstore. I picked up my copy at Amazon for about $15. Worth a look, especially if you're not quite ready for some of the 2+2 books. |
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BOYNAMEDSUE
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Play Poker Like the Pros has a chapter on stud. Good for beginners.
All of the chapters in that book are good for beginners. The limit holdem chapter is a little **** up, but a good book overall. |
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JaketheStake
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Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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Since I've got various esteemed members of the forums in here, I'm curious about your opinions on something.
What game would you recommend I learn next? I'm working my way up to learning all the HORSE games. I know them all, but I'm talking about learning the insides and outs, closing off leaks, things like that.
So far I'm comfortable with NLHE and LHE. Hi/Low games still throw me off a bit. I really need to re-read some Hi/Low strategy for some games. I like Stud and seem to have a basic understanding of Razz strategy.
I'm planning on playing mainly cash games when I return to online play, so I'd like to find a few limit games to play profitably online. Stud Hi is great, but it doesn't really seem to have a lot of multi-table potential. I'm not necessarily looking to multi-table, but I do want to keep a good hourly return, if possible.
My goals:
- Learn new games without experiencing too much in the way of "learning pains" (ie, losing money!)
- Protect my BR from huge swings by playing Limit
- Pick up a game that'll have a good hourly return if played well
- Not get too involved in a game that's rarely played on a low-limit cash level, even online.
Anyways, any thoughts or personal reflections would be great.
~Jake |
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Mongol1206
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| Pot Limit Omaha has the best multi table potential |
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dl_m0nk
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Location: Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| JaketheStake wrote: |
Since I've got various esteemed members of the forums in here, I'm curious about your opinions on something.
What game would you recommend I learn next? I'm working my way up to learning all the HORSE games. I know them all, but I'm talking about learning the insides and outs, closing off leaks, things like that.
So far I'm comfortable with NLHE and LHE. Hi/Low games still throw me off a bit. I really need to re-read some Hi/Low strategy for some games. I like Stud and seem to have a basic understanding of Razz strategy.
I'm planning on playing mainly cash games when I return to online play, so I'd like to find a few limit games to play profitably online. Stud Hi is great, but it doesn't really seem to have a lot of multi-table potential. I'm not necessarily looking to multi-table, but I do want to keep a good hourly return, if possible.
My goals:
- Learn new games without experiencing too much in the way of "learning pains" (ie, losing money!)
- Protect my BR from huge swings by playing Limit
- Pick up a game that'll have a good hourly return if played well
- Not get too involved in a game that's rarely played on a low-limit cash level, even online.
Anyways, any thoughts or personal reflections would be great.
~Jake |
I'm in the same boat as everyone here. My 7-stud games needs a lot of work. I know the basics on when to call and when to fold. Its basic common sense that you first learn in NLHE. If someone raises and you have a str8 draw, don't chase! The same goes for if you have a flush draw. I've found that...I dunno...30% or less that you'll hit the flush by 7th st because who knows many of your outs have already been burned by 4th or 5th st plus there is the chances (even though somewhat unlikely) that someone caught a higher flush or better. Just look at all the cards, think about the possibly burned ones and make your decision if you should play that...KJ9 2-suited or rainbow with others having Q's, 7's, 8's and A's out there. I say play studHi in .25/.50 or even in play chips to experiment diferent styles for quite a while. I asked for Super System 1 & 2, and Sklansky's book on NLHE for x-mas so hopefully that will be under the tree come that morning  . What has really helped me with my horse game is that I think I have Razz almost mastered (which has helped extremely!), O8b I have a very excellent understanding of as well as studhilo and I'm solid when it comes to holdem. So, get really good at razz, O8b, play your usual wininng style of holdem and once you feel very confident with stud you could walk away with a couple extra bucks, cards permitting. |
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