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jxokix
Two Pair
Joined: 01 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: A2XX question |
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For players who play for real money. Higher stakes
Do you feel that many amateurs, me included over value A2XX? I see people (again including myself) chase to the friggin river to get the low because I KNOW that I have or will catch the nut low.
I see people chase even when the 2 comes up on the board though. |
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BOYNAMEDSUE
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Joined: 27 Jun 2005
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Location: Toronto
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I think people do over value A2xx. You're not guaranteed to even qualify a low hand, and when you do, because everyone now plays any A2xx hand, you'll sometimes split the low half with someone else, and actually lose money on the hand.
Annie Duke has a good article on this. It's on the UB site (I think). |
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DevilfishFan
Royal Flush
Joined: 09 Sep 2005
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| Don't chase a low in Omaha 8 or better when you have no chance at the high. You're gambling for half the pot at best. |
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beavis68
High Card
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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| In PL, it is foolish to chase low. |
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AlexScottUK
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Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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Location: Isle of Man
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| In PL, it is foolish to chase low. |
Agreed. Sometimes the biggest pots you win are because somebody was chasing the nut low with a bare A-2, but you also have the A-2 and a better high, winning three quarters of the pot. |
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Salinar
High Card
Joined: 23 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: Annie Duke Article |
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Here is Annie's Article:
http://www.ultimatebet.com/learn-poker/article.html?articleID=19
I agree with her 100%. She's got 5 more terrific articles there on Omaha Hi/Lo. The way she writes I have a ton of respect for her Omaha Hi/Lo game and I would love to play her to put myself to the test. |
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Salinar
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I agree with her 100%. She's got 5 more terrific articles there on Omaha Hi/Lo. The way she writes I have a ton of respect for her Omaha Hi/Lo game and I would love to play her to put myself to the test. |
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bennyprofane
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A2XX is to Omaha what AJ is to Hold 'Em. Looks pretty, but isn't worth much without a little luck in a full game.
The chance that you'll get a board with no low potential is strong (about 45%.) Adding in the chance that your A or 2 gets couterfeited, you're throwing away your A2 after the flop about half the time.
Also, they say "everyone plays A2." If so, with no high potential, you're betting to quarter the pot, which is never wise. |
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Jaconda78
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| People underestimate the chances of getting quartered, or of not making a low at all. Never go for half the pot. |
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DevilfishFan
Royal Flush
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| A-2 with insurbackups is very strong, but you have to get rid of it if you don't flop it like any other hand. |
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capt midnight
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Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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i play a TON of stud8, where you always want to go for the best low, hoping to get the best high and you rarely want to start with the best hi. I have started playing a lot of O8 lately and trying to figure out hands like a2qk, or a34k double suited. there are tons of poss for these hands! i can see the extra value of akqj double suited or a234. but it seems like you are playing for one side of the pot most of the time. Why not play want hands like a2kj where the flop if mixed (which happens a lot) give you the most poss of winning both the high and low. everyone worries about counterfiting, but how often do you actually pair your flop?
PS i am almost 100% self taught poker player, i only have read a few books. but i seem to be doing really well for the past 4 years |
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marlow
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Joined: 14 Apr 2006
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| capt midnight wrote: |
i play a TON of stud8, where you always want to go for the best low, hoping to get the best high and you rarely want to start with the best hi. I have started playing a lot of O8 lately and trying to figure out hands like a2qk, or a34k double suited. there are tons of poss for these hands! i can see the extra value of akqj double suited or a234. but it seems like you are playing for one side of the pot most of the time. Why not play want hands like a2kj where the flop if mixed (which happens a lot) give you the most poss of winning both the high and low. everyone worries about counterfiting, but how often do you actually pair your flop?
PS i am almost 100% self taught poker player, i only have read a few books. but i seem to be doing really well for the past 4 years |
THe best O8 players come from stud8 first. It teaches a few things coming straight to omaha does not. You learn you are actually playing another hand for a percentage of the pot. The hilo books dont teach much. I went back thru Ray Zee and some of the other high profile hilo books. I found 5 sentences in Zee that were useful and insightful. And that was by far more than any other book. So Id say youre stud8 experience is the most valuable learning tool you could have for omaha8 by far. |
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