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SHN
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Joined: 15 Nov 2005
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I think you have very valid points there Jake. However, my style of play is much different. I am a straight-forward tournament player. I dabbled in some ring games on FTP this summer, but I'm a die hard tournament junkie. I have no qualms with ring games, I personally just prefer the long term strategy involved in tournament play. The way I look at it is that once you pay the tournament entry, it is up to you to earn it back - plus some. Personally I find it more of a challenge to earn it back knowing that once the entry fee is paid, you've lost it. I of course understand that you're "putting more on the line" and could be potentially wasting many hours at a time. Followed by the chance of getting sucked out, knocked out of the tournament and having no $$ to show for it. However, I also feel that a few hours worth of good poker can be more profitable in a tournament than in a ring game - depending on the stakes of course. In the long run, a successful tournament player will be ITM and be up on the investment.
I say this all in regards to what you said, "...once you have a token, full tilt has your money. And...it's up to you to try to turn it into more or go home." I feel that this is true for any tournament, regardless if it's for a token, paid for with a token, or whatever. If someone decides to use a token to climb up the ladder of the tiered SNG's, it's their choice. If they would rather play for a cash payout, they have that option too. So whichever realm is chosen that involves a token, I feel it is giving more options and opportunities to the people that choose those endeavors. And again, in any tournament, once you pay for your entry, it's up to you to turn into more or go home.  |
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stoicc
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I basically agree with both of you. I think it just depends on the player and what type of games they like to play. Some players are better in tournaments and some are better in cash games. I myself like to work at both so that I can improve my overall game. |
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flafishy
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Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if you don't like to play in tournaments, that's your choice. No one's forcing you to. So why waste your time posting in a thread about tournaments?
I'm doing a little project with the $4.40 tiers. I deposited $50 and will play Tier 1s until the cash runs out, in the meantime collecting $26 tokens. Then, I'll use as many $26 tokens as I have, and try to get a couple or three $75 tokens. Then I'll play those and see how much I have left for my $50.
Yeah, it'll take some time, but I'll be able to spread that time over the course of a couple or three weeks to do at my leisure. In the meantime, it's a fun and possibly very profitable project.
So far, I've played eight of the $4.40s. I have three $26 tokens and bagged one second place for $10, so I have $24.80. I'll keep going on the $4.40s until that cash runs out. |
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JaketheStake
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Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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Don't remember saying I didn't like Tourneys. In fact, I spent 2 weeks straight in SnGs, and only recently took a 2 day break and played in cash games, for a change of pace. THEN I go play in what are basicly real life SnGs with various groups of friends.
My only real beef with SnGs is the same I see expressed by other people...some of the lower SnGs are really too loose, but I don't have the bankroll to play in the higher ones. I eventually settled in on the heads-up tourneys and $5+.5 ring games.
The real thing that keeps me coming back to SnGs, on the other hand, is that, more often, I get to play the player and not the cards. In ring cash games, people can win and run, or come and go so fast you don't really have much of a chance to learn too much about them, meaning I just have to play very tight, defensive poker, which is kinda boring, even if profitable. |
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danny-s-factor
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Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Lawing wrote: |
| I like the idea of the new 6.60 for token. I have played several so far, but cannot stand the play in these. The gameplay is so slow! When it gets down to 9 people the gameplay everyone just slows down. Every elimination after that it gets even slower. It is like the bubble in any big tournament. The few that I have played have probably lasted 1.5 hours. |
I agree, and it also the same in the $10 tourneys.
And the problem with this is it takes 1.5 hours to finish a tourney but worse still once it gets down to the last 6 it goes sooooo slow that the blinds creep up huge and it ends up being a lottery when people have to make moves.
I find this annoying because twice i have lost on the bubble when i have played solid poker and been the chip leader up until the last 6 people. Sure you can steal the blinds but they all just even themselves out with big enough stacks to last ages...by this time the blind/stack size ratio has become stupid and i see bad players get into the money and some of the best who get sick of the speed, or just don't get lucky with the cards (because it eventually gets to the point where whoever has the best cards wins)
You only need to try and make a couple of failed moves and bam, your out, or take part in one coin flip, and the best or the worst player has the same chance of winning it.
Its a shame but i think i'll be avoiding the 18 player tourneys because of this, its not the fact that you lose, or lose the cash you put up, but more the fact that you spent nearly 2 hours playing for no money, and busting one place off the cash, which to be fair even if you had won was probably not worth all tha time and effort (id probably be most fondfull of them if i'd played bad poker or got lucky and still made it to the end...but fact is, it doesn't matter how well you played in the first hour of the tourney, the last 6 players will last another hour and the bad players have just as much chance as you...at least on the big MTT when it gets to this stage a lot of time for the most part the players left out of 500 deserve to be there) |
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PutUonTILT
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Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| I like these SNG'S I take like a 100 bucks and I play it all in $4.40 sng's and than take all my token and do the same see how many tokens I can get I take the 26 dollar tokens than and I play the guaranteed money tournaments most of the time I get my buy in for $4.40. |
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PlayinThe0dds
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Joined: 27 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: Re: I'll let you know |
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| Irontoof wrote: |
I'm not sure about this. It felt like such a good idea when I entered. Turned my 6.6 into 24.2 and then the 24.2 into a 69.6
Now I'm stuck. I'm terrified of playing the 69.6 and getting nothing after two really good games getting there and I can't do antything else with the token.
I really wish I'd played normal sit-n-go's and got cash for the wins not tokens
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If you were able to winthe 69+6 token then you're good enough to play in the 69+6 game...remeber most other people there earned thir tokens the same way you did..I think few actually pay thebuyin directly for those. And don't forget you can use the 75 token in regular tounament play as well, not just the SnG tables. |
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