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RCADC136 · Pair Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 36

In the low limit, no limit and pot limit games I see a few people going all in preflop with AAxx. From what I've read about the game this is generally a bad idea.

However, the few players that I've noticed who appear to be regulars at this level seem to do quite well with this system. They almost always have more than the max buy in at the table and I seldom see them lose doing it. Typically they get called (if they get called) by someone with KKxx or A2xx.

As I'm writing this, there is a player at four tables using this system. I've played with him and watched him. Right now it looks like he's up about $50 playing .5/.10 and .10/.25 no limit and pot limit.

Does this work in the long run at low limit games?

TedyKGB17 · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject:

its not a hrrible play, but im not a fan of it. i don't like racing for pots. i would rather see a flop and plan on out play'n u on most streets.

in omaha u are normaly not much more that a 60/40 favorite. pushing preflop with AAxx is basicaly a coin-flip. in a cash game i almost never do this. in a tourney i will in some situations.

**edit**
i just saw this this is in the hi/lo section. unless you have AA24 or somthing in that ball park, i don't like this play at all.

RCADC136 · Pair Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 36

Thanks for the opinion. That was my general feeling about it.

It just seems like they always get some knucklehead to call and then they win a big pot. I was one of those knuckleheads once Embarassed

but now I know better.

Do you think it would it be a decent strategy against loose, overaggressive players?

TedyKGB17 · Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject:

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

Getting it all-in preflop with AAxx is never a bad idea, especially if it's going to get you into a heads up situation. So if shoving AAxx preflop gets you heads up against some idiot, go for it. It is just going to be higher in variance than getting all-in with AA in hold'em as you won't be as big of a favorite.

Generally what people talk poorly about is people overplaying AAxx hands. For example, you raise PF with AAxx, the flop comes out with 89T rainbow, and then you get it all in on that flop. Many new Omaha and Omaha hi/lo players do this as well as only raise AAxx hands.

mbos322 · High Card Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 14

I mix my play with AAxx but generally I like to see a flop. I'm happier when the hand is suited or even double suited. If I'm in a late position or know of a player who likes raising limpers then I will tend to raise more.

I like limping at low limits because so many players reraise you with KKxx and if a cheap flop occurs it's well disguised from the hold 'em converts.

I remember holding AAxx and seeing a cheap flop. The flop came TTA giving me aces full of tens. A player bet from the SB, it was called by the BB, I decided to smooth call hoping for more action and a 'bit' weary of TTxx but not overly concerned (I was moving in no matter what, but I wanted to be calling). The player in the cut-off then raised all-in and now I knew I had the best hand. The SB folded (I assume with KKxx), the BB called and obviously I called. The BB had a ten (poor call) and the cut-off had ATxx and I won a monster pot once they were basically drawing dead.

The lesson here is that by understanding that many players at small limits crossing over from hold 'em can be trapped easier in this game by paying attention to the way they overvalue AAxx and don't recognise that many omaha (high and high-low) players see the flop cheaply.

Another concept foreign to hold 'em players is that you should fold QQxx pre-flop in instances where the pots been reraised. These hands require a cheap flop imo unlike QQ in hold'em which I believe should almost always be raised pre-flop.

REDMARION · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject:

I don't play NLO8b or NLO. But I'm one of those players that will push with some of the better [AAxx] types of hands in the right situation.

(a) At least one [A] has to be suited but its better to be double suited.
(b) When I'm pushing, I have to have some specific targets playing the hands and have them identified as week players: They play weak starting hands. They play middle connectors in PLO8b (you know they will put their chips in and chase for 1/2 a pot no matter what).
(c) If I'm in the blinds and all I have is limpers, I might raise 50%, unless there is another player that likes to play fast.

The advantage to played a good [AAxx] hand fast: (1) better chance of winning the pot. (2) I gain control of the hand. (3) My quality of [AAxx] hands will be very strong for lows with flushes. EG: [AA23]s or similar [AAww]s, [AAwB]s, [AABB]s

s = suited [A]; w = wheel card; B = big = T,J,Q,K; M = middle = 6,7,8,9

With middle cards involved [AAw M] or [AA MB] I want to see a favorable flop with completed strong high and/or redraws; hopefully with few low connectors and no pairs unless I connect with [AA] for a set.

[AAxx] hands play better H2H or with many players so there will be enough money in the pot post-flop to blow the weak draws away.

If I have a good flop and can get more than 50% involved on the flop; you can't get rid of me. You will be chasing for half or less of the pot if you decide to continue.

It doesn't matter that I'm posting my play in the forum because my range of raising hands is broader than just [AAxx]. I'm not exploitable, but I can be scooped occassionally when you get lucky. You just have to hit very, very well on the board.

I also know how to play against this strategy. That part I will not post to the forum.

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