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Honest_Rob
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Feedback 2 Reply with quote

Full Tilt Poker Game #2704684266: Fantasy Freeroll Event #6 (20179673), Table 37 - 150/300 - Limit Hold'em - 21:27:30 ET - 2007/06/18
Seat 1: hydr0x83 (4,175)
Seat 2: MisterZimbu (895), is sitting out
Seat 3: gabarabi (4,120)
Seat 4: hairytoez (870), is sitting out
Seat 5: Janus 6 (1,285)
Seat 6: Dumont81 (1,025), is sitting out
Seat 7: Honest_Rob (3,920)
Seat 8: nickytwoeyes (11,770)
Seat 9: WinnerFish (3,200)
gabarabi posts the small blind of 75
hairytoez posts the big blind of 150
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [Tc Th]
Janus 6 raises to 300
Dumont81 folds
Honest_Rob raises to 450
nickytwoeyes folds
WinnerFish folds
hydr0x83 folds
MisterZimbu folds
gabarabi folds
hairytoez folds
Janus 6 calls 150
*** FLOP *** [Jc Ac Qh]
Janus 6 bets 150
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Honest_Rob
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should I be raising here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2704818815: Fantasy Freeroll Event #6 (20179673), Table 37 - 200/400 - Limit Hold'em - 21:40:22 ET - 2007/06/18
Seat 1: hydr0x83 (4,875)
Seat 2: MisterZimbu (445), is sitting out
Seat 3: gabarabi (2,070)
Seat 4: hairytoez (170), is sitting out
Seat 5: Janus 6 (1,785)
Seat 6: Dumont81 (275), is sitting out
Seat 7: Honest_Rob (2,395)
Seat 8: nickytwoeyes (14,570)
Seat 9: WinnerFish (4,675)
nickytwoeyes posts the small blind of 100
WinnerFish posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [6h 6c]
hydr0x83 raises to 400
MisterZimbu folds
gabarabi folds
hairytoez folds
Janus 6 folds
Dumont81 folds
Honest_Rob
nickytwoeyes still to act
WinnerFish still to act
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Big Slick x13x
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fold the second hand.

I raise the first hand and hope he checks the turn so we can have a free river.
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Riddim
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd call and fold the turn unimproved in #1. In #2 I'd just fold.
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ChekRazeMudr
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Suggestions. Reply with quote

#1 hand: You have an early raiser. Not having any information on how this early raiser has been playing makes it difficult. You have two options here though. You can call preflop with the TT or you can raise. The advantage of raising is that your raise will tend to isolate the early raiser by making it more difficult for later positions to enter the pot.

The flop was horrid for you. 3 wheelhouse overcards on the flop to your mid-pair. You have 6 cards that improve your hand and the pot is at 7 BB's. 3 of those outs are the nuts (3 non-club Kings). The K of clubs is also a strong out here. The remaining 2 Tens would be very dangerous since if your opponent has a K it would give him a str8. This would however give you a chance to pair the board for a boat. A good estimate of your outs is therefore prolly 5.

You are almost gauranteed to be behind at the moment. I would be VERY surprised if an early raiser didn't at least have some of that flop. Janus has also raised into you on this flop. I would put Janus' flop bet here as a str8 value bet. You have a 10% chance to hit on the turn and must put in 13% of the pot. This makes calling a slightly bad bet. However, if you hit you should be able to get bets on the turn and river. I think calling the flop bet is about a break-even situation here. Use your judgement based on your knowledge of this opponent.

If you don't improve on the turn you will have to put in 2 BB's into a 9 BB pot. Assuming all the same cards are still likely outs, you will not be able to call to see the river if raised and should fold.

Hand #2: You must put in 2 bets into a 3BB pot. 66 here isn't all that great. But if you hit a 6 on the flop (1 in 8.25) you are in good position to extract some bets from your opponent(s). No information on the opponents here, including those yet to act. If you are feeling frisky here you might call (most likely this is a fold though). Since you are 1 in 8.25 use your judgement as to whether you can get the needed 15BB's to give you positive expectation here. With one opponent I would think this very difficult since you would have to extract more than 2 bets on each of the next three rounds. Most opponents putting in that many bets might have a set beat. But if your opponent is VERY loose and aggressive or you think you can get a 3-way pot it may be worth a shot. Use your read of your opponents here.

I would most likely fold here.

CRM
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ChekRazeMudr
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Hand #1 Reply with quote

Incidently, slightly odd betting here by Janus from Under the Gun.

Preflop raise from UTG should indicate a premium hand. You would therefore expect a reraise from Janus until the betting is capped. Janus just called your raise though on the flop. Not knowing Janus' tendencies I would put Janus' most likely holding here as AQ. JJ and MAYBE QQ are possible too. I would be raising up with QQ but some might not. The other possibility here is that Janus is holding KK. There are some who will just call preflop to see if an Ace flops when holding KK. AK and AJ are possible but not likely. Janus does not have AA.

Against an unknown opponent I would estimate:

AQ 35%
JJ 25%
QQ 15%
KK 10%
AK 5%
AA 0%
AJ 5%
Low pair or rag 5%
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Honest_Rob
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hand 1: I folded to the flop bet. The opponent told me he had TT beat but he did say I was ahead preflop. He wouldn't tell me his exact hand.

Hand 2: I folded preflop.
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fire_eyes_2k
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honest_Rob wrote:
Hand 1: I folded to the flop bet. The opponent told me he had TT beat but he did say I was ahead preflop. He wouldn't tell me his exact hand.

Hand 2: I folded preflop.


Correct play in both cases I think. In a cash game I would probably raise for a free card then check/call down on the first hand, but I really don't want to go to war for most of mu chips in such an ugly spot here.

The second hand is a fairly easy fold in any circumstances
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