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TilterDoug · Site Admin Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 297

24sooted,

It is an interesting question. Pros swap pieces with each other in major tournaments all the time, even deep into the tournament. In some of the smaller WSOP events this year, I saw deals made for 2% or 3% swaps when the tournament was down to the final two tables. The important thing is for the swap amount to be small enough that it doesn't impact decisions at the table.

If two players have 30% or 40% of each other, and both make a final table, I have a hard time believing it doesn't factor into their decisions, even if the players aren't trying to do anything wrong. If they go all-in, and you fold AA so you don't bust your "investment" early, this is obviously a black and white problem. But what if you have AK? JJ? These are hands you might call with to bust someone else, but your calling requirements may shift just a bit since you have a substantial piece of the guy.

Point of the story is, I doubt any site (or live casino) would enforce a rule saying nobody can own pieces of someone else. If you want to be honest about it, then it is up to you not to let it affect your strategy. If you are blatently folding AA not to bust him, you can both be DQ'd, but no site can fault you for folding JJ against the guy.

One suggestion is to make a deal with your friend like this. Say you are playing a $1000 WSOP event. You could swap 25% with each other, with a maximum payout of $2000. That way, if one of you loses and one wins big, the loser gets his buy-in taken care of, plus some profit. But if you both end up making it deep into the tournament, the deal will basically be off since you are both guaranteed a big payout, so the deal wont impact any big decisions late in the tournament.

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

Otto410 · Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:41 pm Post subject:

Here is a recent article from CardPlayer about this very topic.

Written by Martin De Knijff

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=14962&m_id=65572

COMRAD · Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject:

alright 2-4 all i'm saying is that it's way too easy for someone to start with the "girlfriend theory" and then try to up the stakes.if you play your "girlfriend"the same as you play everyone else then fine,but it DOESN'T happen!yes people buddy up all the time and it's LAME!do it yourself instead of tryin to UP your odds!

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

stevening · High Card Joined: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 1 Location: Mankato

I don't know anyone else that plays online. So I couldn't collude even if I wanted to.
It's pointless to whine about it, however, it has to take place. When it CAN happen it WILL happen. We can piss and moan, say, "nasty, nasty!" but it changes nothing. It's going to take place. Count on it.
So, what's the bottom line?
Here's how I see it and feel free to add your thoughts about the benefits and downside of colluding. Stay away from moralizing please. Help me and others understand it.
A and B are colluding here are some cases:
1. A gets pocket Aces. A somehow indicates that he has a monster. Now on a real table, I suspect that his opponents will be watching for this and he needs to be careful of a tell. This is key (assuming it happens).
What will B do?
1.a he folds immediately. Let's call this RUNAWAY.
1.b he raises A who bets a token bet. He's really raising the table on behalf of A. Let's call this PUMPING.
1.c ? what else?
2. A and B both get crap hands but agree to bluff. Let's call this CRAPPING.
2.a if C (not coluding with a halo over his/her head) has a monster he/she would like this.
2.b all the rest have crap, believe either A or B has a monster and they get out.

please add some more in here.....

Honest_Rob · Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject:

It's not collusion. It happens all the time and if FT ever froze anyone's account for it, it would be a shame.

COMRAD · Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject:

That's funny jaconda,I could just picture me and my wife battling at poker(I'd probably end up sleeping on the couch).24sooted,sorry for the lame comments, I just know a few people that ALWAYS try to cheat at any game they play.It would suck(I know this isn't what you were talking about)to be in a cash game where half the table was in together taking innocent peoples money.although,now I think i could still take em.........I'm not a conspiracy theorist just new.......I have said some things i regret,especially after seeing jets fan post.I refuse to be like that,so I would like to apologize for cheap shots at jaconda and to anyone else i have offended.I will be working on my etiquette, and try to be more civil with replies that actually have substance.

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

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