Online Poker Forum - Hand History - what's the best move ?

11Finger · High Card Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 10

Here's another HH, last four players in a $22SNG. Given that I'm in 2nd place and blinds catching up with the small stack was it correct for me to go all in ? Would it have been more prudent to call and check the flop for A and K ? Note that I eventually finished fourth here due to this hand...

FullTiltPoker Game #266922517: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (1719703), Table 1 - 120/240 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:56:07 ET - 2005/10/26
ItsJustMike21: i would have loved the raise
Seat 1: GObrewers500 (1,320)
Seat 5: ItsJustMike21 (6,330)
Seat 6: LLKOOLK1 (2,570)
Seat 9: 11Finger (3,280)
GObrewers500 posts the small blind of 120
ItsJustMike21 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 11Finger [Qh Qc]
LLKOOLK1 raises to 720
ItsJustMike21: cuz u never believe me
11Finger raises to 3,280, and is all in
GObrewers500 folds
ItsJustMike21: but its ok i like that
ItsJustMike21 folds
LLKOOLK1: lets gamble
LLKOOLK1 calls 1,850, and is all in
11Finger shows [Qh Qc]
LLKOOLK1 shows [Kd Qd]
Uncalled bet of 710 returned to 11Finger
*** FLOP *** [Ks 4h Ac]
*** TURN *** [Ks 4h Ac] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 4h Ac Ad] [3c]
11Finger: not good
11Finger shows two pair, Aces and Queens
LLKOOLK1 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
LLKOOLK1 wins the pot (5,500) with two pair, Aces and Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,500 | Rake 0
Board: [Ks 4h Ac Ad 3c]
Seat 1: GObrewers500 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: ItsJustMike21 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: LLKOOLK1 showed [Kd Qd] and won (5,500) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 9: 11Finger (button) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens

dano2769 · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:16 am Post subject:

I'll push this. You were a heavy favorite going to flop. You just got unlucky. It happens. Don't be results oriented.

goomlah · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:27 am Post subject: Gotta move in with that hand

You most likely have the best the hand. Only aces or kings beat you and that is extremely unlikely. The guy should have never called with KQ, but I'm thinking he wanted to be in a coin-flip situation. He hit, you missed, but you played the hand right. Sometimes that's just what happens.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Moderator Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 9542 Location: Mypos

I can't believe that guy risked all his chips with only 4 players left.

UrbanMeyer1 · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:35 am Post subject:

Auto-push. Leave the results out next time though...

aye win · Flush Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 148 Location: Glasgow

you made the right move especially if you done so thinking that LLKOOLK would call you with a poor hand.

Had he been playing eratically for a while?

searfoss · Two Pair Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 64

You absolutely made the right move. With queens you want to avoid multiple opponents that may be holding Ax or Kx. You had both blinds to act behind you. So just calling is not an option because you'd be inviting them to play the exact hands you want to push out.

Next, you really can't fold this hand in a four handed game unless two players are invested and you could move into the money by virtue of sitting out. This pre-requisite is not met, so folding is not an option.

So, it is time to raise. The only question is how much to raise? There is 1080 in the pot and the raiser bet 720. I'd want to raise to between 1500 and 2000 normally, so given the raisers stack of 1800, I would definitely be betting at least enough to put him all in. Now, last consideration is the BB. You don't want him in this hand, you want to isolate the raiser. All in accomplishes a raise to push out Ax, Kx, and improves your odds greatly that the BB will sit this hand out. And you've put the raiser in a position to make a huge mistake.

He made that huge mistake and many more times than not you will come out the victor. Keep playing it the way you did.

11Finger · High Card Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 10

goomlah · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: AK finger?

I'd still call for the simple fact you still might have the best of it.

searfoss · Two Pair Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 64

If you were him and you had raised UTG with AK nearly 1/3 of your stack, would you then call a raise for all your chips?

First of all, you shouldn't raise a 1/3 of my stack in that position with an unmade hand. You'd have had an effective M around 2 1/2 before raising, which is a desperate situation indeed. And you had the second lowest stack at the table. 95% of the time I would either fold or go all in initially with AK, short stacked, and an M of 2.5. That other 5% I would limp in hoping to see a cheap flop, but this is generally a bad idea.

However, you asked what to do after investing 1/3 of your stack and getting raised all in. At that point you have lost one way to win the hand (getting the other guy to fold) and you have an unmade hand. The pot odds will signal for a call unless you think he has KK or AA, but we're in a tournament and you can't just pull additional money out of your pocket. Therefore, I would seriously consider folding and looking for a hand to move all in with later.

UrbanMeyer1 · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:

- Move over the top w/ AK or QQ if you are 2nd to act
- Raise 3x and call all in w/ AK or QQ if you are first to act.

Yes, you lose one of the possibilities of getting someone to fold if you are first to act, but that's the whole idea of position. You can't do anything but 3x it here. Raising 3x with over 10 blinds is very standard. However, just open push if you are feeling uncomfortable at the table, that's fine too.

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