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mcai · Straight Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 114

Hi Bunny,
I finally got the Mac Poker Pro and used an apple script to import over 11,000 hand histories. I don't see where there is an export in the program so I could get it into excel. If I am missing it, could you point me in the right direction. Also, shouldn't I see a some balance or evenness in hands like 92 and k2? Instead I see some wide ranges. Also, how would I be able to pick up on "all in" situations? Is there some kind of filter? And finally is there a link to things like, pocket aces should win 80% of the time? How do we know that and where do we know that? Links please.

I feel so empowered because now I can see if I am right about patterns!

Kardsh4rk · Message Board Junkie Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1279

Ummm, mcai?

Was this supposed to be posted on a different forum? Like, say, the MacPokerPro forum?

live4freerolls · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject:

I got 11,001 Razz

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 4345

Mcai, I hate to say it, but I'm not a Mac guy. I've got zero access to the program, so I really have no idea how it works. I just know it's about the only thing available for Mac users.

You could check either MacPokerPro to see if they have a forum where you can find a FAQ or ask people proficient with the program. You could also search Pocket5s or 2+2 forums for MacPokerPro and see if there are people there who run it.

Considering there are 1326 unique starting hands, in an 11,000 hand sample, you would expect to see each starting hand 9-10 times, but you could still see some variation from that for any one hand.

acesfullokings9 · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:28 am Post subject:

I believe that there is a forum on the site where you download the program for.

mcai · Straight Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 114

oh sorry bunny. I thought you had written something about the comma (forget the rest of the words) or the text files separated by commas. So I thought you knew. Ok, I remember now from PR you use Linux. So I will continue to follow your advice and get onto a more relevant forum. As far as the starting hands, the software only tracks suited and unsuited. But the range is from 30 to 128. So that seemed too wide. Anyway, I won't put you on the spot again. Thanks for your help! Now I can test my rigged theories in private and if I find anything blast it all over the forums. Until then, as we way in Hawaii, aloha!

Kardsh4rk · Message Board Junkie Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1279

mcai .... you are posting in the wrong forum. You want the MacPokerPro forum ... this is FULL TILT Laughing

As we say in North America ... did you hit your head on something?

mcai · Straight Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 114

No this is the right forum, every1 says that the poker trackers prove the site is not rigged. So I finally got 1 for Mac and I wanted to know what the odds for the starting hands were and things like pocket aces will win 80% of the time. Right now after over 11,000 hands, my pocket aces won 78% of the time. I suppose I will have to dig out my poker book and look at the charts, but at least I have a lot of information now to digest.

mcai · Straight Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 114

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 4345

Mcai, on a side note, Pokeroffice on the PC does track things like how often you flop a set, OESD, 3-flush, 4-flush, etc., so you can do some analysis beyond just starting hands.

Yes, I'm a Linux geek, but I've been subjecting myself to dual-booting to Windows to play poker.

Good luck with exporting from MacPokerPro, or figuring out what other types of analysis you can run with it.

ManilaDog · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:55 am Post subject:

str8_ace_hi · Two Pair Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 69

Just wondering? What would be the reason for saving 11,000 past hand histories? I now save them for a week but no longer.

ftn_chris · Message Board Junkie Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 1181

Sofa King Weak · High Card Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 5

There are a lot of reasons to keep more than a weeks worth of hand histories. In Mcai's case it seems to be to prove or disprove a site is rigged Rolling Eyes

Personally I have well over 400k HH's from various sites. I use Poker tracker and the more HH's I have the better. I have been able to track my trends and correct holes in my play that I would never have been able to see with only a weeks worth. For example I discovered that after about 20k hands or so on a particular site, that my least profitable starting hand in holdem was Q9 suited. I found that very odd as it certainly isn't the worst possible hand but it was the least profitable for me. I didn't feel like I was overplaying it or playing it improperly but with a high enough sampling I could see that I was certainly playing it wrong. I have corrected that now Wink

mcai · Straight Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 114

Thanks for such positive replies. In my case the 11,000+ hand histories is because I just found out that Mac Poker Pro now works on Fulltilt. That did not come about until Jan 07. So all of my hand histories were stored on my computer awaiting some type of poker tracker to become available. I did find where the filters allow me to see how many pp I had or suited connectors. And I can look at post flop play. However, I still have to look at individual hands to see if the river over took the favorite. So looking for something to make that simpler. And yes, I am looking to see if the site is rigged or not rigged. My theory is that a larger percentage of hands than should, win on the river over the favorite when an all in is called.

Another thing I have been looking at is the idea of action hands. And that is only because, there are some indications from my stats that it is something to look at.

Given that the hand histories are text type files, it would be possible for people to put their hand histories together by e-mailing the text files and importing them into a poker tracker. that way all those who want to see for themselves could look at what happens with the cards. There are several "theories" out there, and why not see what is true or not? If someone took the time to do it, then the rigged theories would die forever if there was a place to point to. Or, the theories could expand based on more hand histories and be pin pointed. But at this point, we have no evidence just a lot of reassurances from support and rigged bashing in the forums. No one has put forth hand histories nor looked at the things that people notice the most, the "action hands" and the high number or river bad beats. So why not do it?

The rigged bashing always makes it a point to ask how many hands? So 11,000+ is not a small sampling. It is not a big sampling, but it is a good start. If people wanted to jump on board then fine if not that is cool too.

So I am starting with this. My hypothesis is that if in a heads up situation, one of the parties goes all in and is called, the under dog will win by the river in a percentage of times which is greater than normally expected.

If you are in with me, then good, other wise just watch, quietly...

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