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Moshiach

Could anyone please tell me in as much detail as they can, anything i've done wrong here.

HAND 1:
Seat 1: Dankbracy (1460 in chips)
Seat 2: Carpainter (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: tails303 (2960 in chips)
Seat 4: Woods1999 (1640 in chips)
Seat 5: Pandochat (1460 in chips)
Seat 7: Moshiach (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: broke_donkey (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: John4321 (1490 in chips)
Pandochat: posts small blind 10
Moshiach: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moshiach [9h 2d]
broke_donkey: folds
John4321: calls 20
Dankbracy: calls 20
Carpainter: folds
tails303: folds
Woods1999: calls 20
Pandochat: calls 10
Moshiach: checks
*** FLOP *** [9d 8h 2s]
Pandochat: checks
Moshiach: bets 100
John4321: calls 100
Dankbracy: calls 100
Woods1999: folds
Pandochat: folds
*** TURN *** [9d 8h 2s] [6s]
Moshiach: bets 250
John4321: calls 250
Dankbracy: raises 250 to 500
Moshiach: calls 250
John4321: folds
*** RIVER *** [9d 8h 2s 6s] [8s]
Moshiach: checks
Dankbracy: bets 840 and is all-in
Moshiach: calls 840
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dankbracy: shows [5s 7s] (a flush, Eight high)
Moshiach: shows [9h 2d] (two pair, Nines and Eights)
Dankbracy collected 3330 from pot

HAND 2:
Seat 1: grandgal (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: ronja95 (1490 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: twoold4u (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: Moshiach (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: BAILMEISTER (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: Vegskj (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Nita`Biggun (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: outlawbiker1 (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: medger (1500 in chips)
twoold4u: posts small blind 10
Moshiach: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moshiach [Jd Tc]
BAILMEISTER: folds
ronja95 has returned
Vegskj: folds
Nita`Biggun: calls 20
outlawbiker1: folds
medger: folds
grandgal: folds
ronja95: folds
twoold4u: calls 10
Moshiach: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 7c Jh]
twoold4u: bets 20
Moshiach: raises 60 to 80
Nita`Biggun: folds
twoold4u: calls 60
*** TURN *** [Kd 7c Jh] [Qc]
twoold4u: checks
Moshiach: bets 80
twoold4u: calls 80
*** RIVER *** [Kd 7c Jh Qc] [6d]
twoold4u: checks
Moshiach: bets 100
twoold4u: calls 100
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Moshiach: shows [Jd Tc] (a pair of Jacks)
twoold4u: shows [Td Ks] (a pair of Kings)
twoold4u collected 580 from pot

HAND 3:
Seat 1: grandgal (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: ronja95 (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: twoold4u (2410 in chips)
Seat 4: Moshiach (1210 in chips)
Seat 5: BAILMEISTER (1400 in chips)
Seat 6: Vegskj (1060 in chips)
Seat 7: Nita`Biggun (1420 in chips)
Seat 9: medger (1500 in chips)
Vegskj: posts small blind 10
Nita`Biggun: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moshiach [2h 2s]
medger: calls 20
grandgal: folds
ronja95: folds
twoold4u: folds
grandgal is sitting out
Moshiach: raises 60 to 80
BAILMEISTER: folds
Vegskj: raises 60 to 140
Nita`Biggun: folds
medger: calls 120
Moshiach: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [2d Jh 6h]
Vegskj: bets 20
medger: calls 20
Moshiach: raises 80 to 100
Vegskj: calls 80
medger: calls 80
*** TURN *** [2d Jh 6h] [As]
Vegskj: checks
medger: checks
Moshiach: bets 300
Vegskj: folds
medger: folds
Moshiach collected 740 from pot

HAND 4:
Seat 1: grandgal (1220 in chips)
Seat 2: ronja95 (1440 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: twoold4u (2570 in chips)
Seat 4: Moshiach (1565 in chips)
Seat 5: BAILMEISTER (1400 in chips)
Seat 6: Vegskj (1060 in chips)
Seat 7: Nita`Biggun (1305 in chips)
Seat 9: medger (1410 in chips)
Vegskj: posts small blind 15
Nita`Biggun: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moshiach [Qh 4h]
medger: folds
grandgal: folds
ronja95: folds
twoold4u: folds
twoold4u is sitting out
Moshiach: calls 30
BAILMEISTER: folds
Vegskj: calls 15
Nita`Biggun: checks
*** FLOP *** [As 8h 6h]
Vegskj: checks
Nita`Biggun: checks
Moshiach: bets 60
Vegskj: folds
Nita`Biggun: calls 60
*** TURN *** [As 8h 6h] [Ts]
Nita`Biggun: bets 30
Moshiach: raises 70 to 100
Nita`Biggun: calls 70
*** RIVER *** [As 8h 6h Ts] [4d]
Nita`Biggun: checks
Moshiach: bets 200
Nita`Biggun: calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Moshiach: shows [Qh 4h] (a pair of Fours)
Nita`Biggun: shows [Ad Th] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Nita`Biggun collected 810 from pot

HAND 5:
Seat 1: grandgal (1145 in chips)
Seat 2: ronja95 (1395 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: twoold4u (2600 in chips)
Seat 4: Moshiach (1175 in chips)
Seat 5: BAILMEISTER (1220 in chips)
Seat 6: Vegskj (1135 in chips)
Seat 7: Nita`Biggun (1860 in chips)
Seat 9: medger (1440 in chips)
twoold4u: posts small blind 15
Moshiach: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moshiach [Kd 9d]
BAILMEISTER: folds
Vegskj: calls 30
Nita`Biggun: calls 30
BAILMEISTER said, "i cant call with an ace"
guddco is connected
medger: raises 90 to 120
grandgal: calls 120
ronja95: folds
twoold4u: calls 105
Moshiach: calls 90
Vegskj: folds
Nita`Biggun: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 8d 2h]
twoold4u: checks
Nita`Biggun said, "I can't remember what I had now, lol"
Moshiach: bets 150
Nita`Biggun said, "I know I had a pair of 3's"
medger: calls 150
grandgal: folds
twoold4u: folds
*** TURN *** [5d 8d 2h] [Js]
Moshiach: checks
medger: checks
*** RIVER *** [5d 8d 2h Js] [9h]
Moshiach: bets 200
medger: calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Moshiach: shows [Kd 9d] (a pair of Nines)
medger: shows [Tc Td] (a pair of Tens)
medger collected 1240 from pot

HAND 6:
Seat 2: ronja95 (1320 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: twoold4u (3525 in chips)
Seat 4: Moshiach (765 in chips)
Seat 5: BAILMEISTER (1710 in chips)
Seat 6: Vegskj (755 in chips)
Seat 7: Nita`Biggun (1905 in chips)
Seat 8: froggger (5255 in chips)
Seat 9: medger (3210 in chips)
BAILMEISTER: posts small blind 25
Vegskj: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moshiach [Js Qh]
Nita`Biggun: calls 50
froggger: folds
medger: calls 50
ronja95: folds
twoold4u: calls 50
Moshiach: raises 715 to 765 and is all-in
BAILMEISTER: folds
ronja95 has returned
Vegskj: folds
Nita`Biggun: calls 715
medger: calls 715
twoold4u: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8c Ah]
Nita`Biggun: checks
medger: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks 8c Ah] [4d]
Nita`Biggun: checks
medger: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8c Ah 4d] [4c]
Nita`Biggun: checks
medger: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nita`Biggun: shows [Jh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
medger: mucks hand
Moshiach: mucks hand
Nita`Biggun collected 2420 from pot

Moshiach · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:

*** RIVER *** [As 8h 6h Ts] [4d]
Nita`Biggun: checks
Moshiach: bets 200
Nita`Biggun: calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Moshiach: shows [Qh 4h] (a pair of Fours)
Nita`Biggun: shows [Ad Th] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Nita`Biggun collected 810 from pot

HAND 5:
Seat 1: grandgal (1145 in chips)
Seat 2: ronja95 (1395 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: twoold4u (2600 in chips)
Seat 4: Moshiach (1175 in chips)
Seat 5: BAILMEISTER (1220 in chips)
Seat 6: Vegskj (1135 in chips)
Seat 7: Nita`Biggun (1860 in chips)
Seat 9: medger (1440 in chips)
twoold4u: posts small blind 15
Moshiach: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moshiach [Kd 9d]
BAILMEISTER: folds
Vegskj: calls 30
Nita`Biggun: calls 30
BAILMEISTER said, "i cant call with an ace"
guddco is connected
medger: raises 90 to 120
grandgal: calls 120
ronja95: folds
twoold4u: calls 105
Moshiach: calls 90
Vegskj: folds
Nita`Biggun: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 8d 2h]
twoold4u: checks
Nita`Biggun said, "I can't remember what I had now, lol"
Moshiach: bets 150
Nita`Biggun said, "I know I had a pair of 3's"
medger: calls 150
grandgal: folds
twoold4u: folds
*** TURN *** [5d 8d 2h] [Js]
Moshiach: checks
medger: checks
*** RIVER *** [5d 8d 2h Js] [9h]
Moshiach: bets 200
medger: calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Moshiach: shows [Kd 9d] (a pair of Nines)
medger: shows [Tc Td] (a pair of Tens)
medger collected 1240 from pot

HAND 6:
Seat 2: ronja95 (1320 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: twoold4u (3525 in chips)
Seat 4: Moshiach (765 in chips)
Seat 5: BAILMEISTER (1710 in chips)
Seat 6: Vegskj (755 in chips)
Seat 7: Nita`Biggun (1905 in chips)
Seat 8: froggger (5255 in chips)
Seat 9: medger (3210 in chips)
BAILMEISTER: posts small blind 25
Vegskj: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Moshiach [Js Qh]
Nita`Biggun: calls 50
froggger: folds
medger: calls 50
ronja95: folds
twoold4u: calls 50
Moshiach: raises 715 to 765 and is all-in
BAILMEISTER: folds
ronja95 has returned
Vegskj: folds
Nita`Biggun: calls 715
medger: calls 715
twoold4u: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8c Ah]
Nita`Biggun: checks
medger: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks 8c Ah] [4d]
Nita`Biggun: checks
medger: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8c Ah 4d] [4c]
Nita`Biggun: checks
medger: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nita`Biggun: shows [Jh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
medger: mucks hand
Moshiach: mucks hand
Nita`Biggun collected 2420 from pot

Funkay Flex · Straight Flush Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 487 Location: VA

in your first hand, you called an all in w/ a VERY marginal hand. 9-3 had you beat because the board paired 8's, so calling an all in was pretty bad in that spot

in hand two, you only had a mediocre pair, and i dont see why you thought it was the best hand. after all, there were two overcards, yet you continued to bet, which is a bad move

hand 3, i dont know why you put that up b/c you played it well

in hand 4, i dont get why you re-raised on the turn when you really should have just called to see the river. you were on the draw, so you NEED to see as many cards as you can for the cheapest price possible. make it easier on your BR next time and don't reraise w/ a draw that isn't even the nut draw

in hand 5, you should have chucked the K-9 preflop when the person raised. calling a raise w/ k-9 is NEVER a good play, if you want to call a raise w/ K-9, i'd rather have you either fold it or raise w/ it (JUST DONT CALL!) you also shouldn't have bet on the river b/c it was pretty apparent that he had a hand b/c he called your bet. if you want to bet in that situation, bet more!

in hand 6, dont go all in w/ QJ even if you are short-stacked. you can only be called by a hand that dominates you (such as the AJ), and i'd rather go all in w/ 8-9 suited than QJ b/c at least i will have live cards

by looking at these HHs, i see you have a loooooooooooong way to go if you want to become an even decent poker player, but keep posting on the forum and we can all help you out. FOLLOW MY ADVICE!

Jaconda78 · Moderator Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4179

Ok, then, funkay's massive ego aside, there are some definate issues with how you played.

Hand 1: Counterfeited two pair - you need to be able to lay that down, since you have no kicker to what is effectively top pair. There is a possible straight, flush, and full house (and of course quads) out there. While 9 3 wasn't beating you (you would have split), 9 7 was. There's just way too much there that's beating you, yet you kept at it, refusing to lay down the hand. You can't get married to a hand just because it was good at one point earlier on.

Hand 2: As funkay said, not sure why you're betting second (and then third) pair as if it were the nuts here. When there's a king out, someone's likely to have it if they're betting. I'm ok with the raise on the flop of a weak bet, to see where he stands, but after he calls you, you gotta accept that you're probably beat and let it go. If you must bet at it, do not bet weakly, like you did on the turn and river. On the turn you bet 80 into a pot of 240 - definately a probe bet, and not something you want to use after the flop very often. The river you bet 100 into a pot of 400 - again, only 1/4 the size of the pot. Definately not a scary bet. You're giving him great pot odds on the turn, and on the river you're almost making it worth the chips just to see what you have.

Hand 3: I'm not a huge fan of raising with pocket 2's preflop, but it's an acceptable move. Your post-flop play was ok.

Hand 4: Umm, why were you even in the hand? That's a big no-no preflop. You're likely to hit just enough to get yourself in trouble if you do hit, and most likely you'll miss. If you want to bluff, try not to do it in a hand where there's an ace out and heavy betting the whole way. As son as your bet on the flop was called you should have dropped it like a hot potato.

Hand 5: Funkay covered this one pretty well - you don't want to be calling raises with K9. Occasionally, to mix up your game, you can try a re-raise, but that's not something I'd do very often - too often you'll just be called or pushed all in by a better hand.

Hand 6: While I disagree with funkay's general don't go all in with QJ philosophy (if you're short stacked, QJ may often be the best chance you get to double up - seperate debate, though), you weren't really short stacked enough to have to push like that. You could have limped there, as you still had over 15 big blinds left. Had you limped, you would have been able to either check the hand down or fold to any bets after the flop.

You'll get there - just try not to overplay your hands. Always think about what hands are beating you and how your opponents might play those hands. If he raised preflop, for example, it's unlikely that he has the 8T that's the only hand to beat you. However, he IS likely to have the ace that beats your pair of jacks. Good luck!

Funkay Flex · Straight Flush Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 487 Location: VA

usually when i have 15 big blinds or less, i'll look for some live cards (unless i get a pocket pair), thats why i said i wouldnt make that move

anyways, i don't have a massive ego, lol, i was just joking around, i guess i didn't make that clear Smile

gibbygib · Four of a Kind Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

Funkay Flex · Straight Flush Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 487 Location: VA

DeadDutch · Full House Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 176

Moshiach,

It looks to me like overall, you are playing your cards... not your opponents' cards and not your opponents as players. When you improve you bet. I agree with the advice form Jaconda and Funkay for the most part, but are you trying to put your opponent on a hand each time before you bet?

Sometimes you will be wrong. Sometimes you will be right and they will still suckout (happened to me last night), but if you're not putting your opponents on a hand and making notes about them along the way, you're really hurting your game.

If you are putting your opponent on a hand, I'd be interested to hear what you put Dankbracy on in hand 1 when you called the river? Or what did you think Nita`Biggun had when you bet the river on hand 4 with an ace on the board? It looks like you have taken the idea of "aggression wins" to heart, but that you're not giving much thought to what your opponents might have based on betting patterns, etc.

Good luck,
Dutch

Moshiach · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject:

Thanks for your advice, before i even read your replies i looked back on my hands and could see so many flaws, dunno what was happening.

Jaconda78, you pointed out betting 80 into a 240 is a "probe" bet, and 100 into 400 also not scary, what size bets would you recomend then, in different situations.

Jaconda78 · Moderator Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4179

UrbanMeyer1 · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:01 am Post subject:

1) I usually check/raise the flop to really kill the hidden draws, but your bet is ok. The turn is bad, you need to bet big here. You can't call the river here either, you still have chips.

2) Fold the flop, why are you getting involved in L1 w/ MP?

3) Raising w/ 22 in L1 isn't good, limp in. From there it's fine.

4) Fold pre-flop

5) You're calling a raise pre-flop w/ K9? Fold.

6) Why are you pushing in QJ when you still have 15x+ blinds left.

You need to rethink your approach to SNGs. You really can't play this suicidal or loosely especially this early.

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