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Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: Too passive with the nuts?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2055265228: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (15417833), Table 1 - 15/30 - Pot Limit Omaha - 22:18:45 ET - 2007/03/23
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Flying_Kiwi [6s Ah Kc 2s]
allinanimal is feeling angry
Iron-Worker-146 folds
Kenosha38 calls 30
allinanimal folds
Centre folds
ShreddedFeet calls 30
lisafish calls 30
tanqueray folds
Flying_Kiwi calls 15
Daisy Dog 1 checks
*** FLOP *** [Ac 2d Ad]
Flying_Kiwi checks
Daisy Dog 1 checks
Kenosha38 checks
ShreddedFeet checks
lisafish bets 30
Flying_Kiwi raises to 120
Daisy Dog 1 folds
Kenosha38 folds
ShreddedFeet folds
lisafish calls 90
*** TURN *** [Ac 2d Ad] [2h]
Flying_Kiwi bets 200
lisafish calls 200
*** RIVER *** [Ac 2d Ad 2h] [7s]
Flying_Kiwi bets 790
lisafish calls 790
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Flying_Kiwi shows [6s Ah Kc 2s] (a full house, Aces full of Twos)
lisafish shows [7d 6h As 9s] (a full house, Aces full of Sevens)
lisafish wins the pot (2,370) with a full house, Aces full of Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,370 | Rake 0
Board: [Ac 2d Ad 2h 7s]
Seat 1: Flying_Kiwi (small blind) showed [6s Ah Kc 2s] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Twos
Seat 2: Daisy Dog 1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Iron-Worker-146 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Kenosha38 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: allinanimal didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Centre didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: ShreddedFeet folded on the Flop
Seat 8: lisafish showed [7d 6h As 9s] and won (2,370) with a full house, Aces full of Sevens
Seat 9: tanqueray (button) didn't bet (folded)

Do you think a pot raise on the flop or pot bet on the turn would've got a fold? Or is the end result inevitable? I don't know why they didn't bust me on the river by raising me all in.

I'm still learning Omaha, and know that slow-play is risky.. but I thought it would take quite a suckout to lose with aces full. By the time they called the turn bet I had them on either the case A, but the chance of that 7 hitting them... i just had to bet.

jim gammy · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject:

Hey there Flying_Kiwi.

I dont think you had any chance of getting a fold there.
Just one of those low limit type situations. Prolly wasn't even thinking about what you had?

VogelB5 · Straight Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 110

Can't tell if you did or not, seems like you might have. But in any case I think you need to full pot bet flop, turn and river.

Flop - Most likely, any A is coming with ya, make them pay to him

Turn - Great card, A is probably still coming with ya and they couldn't have filled up yet

River - I would think 7 was a safe card. I'm potting here also. He hit it, but I would think it's unlikely he had A7. Unless I'm reading it wrong, I have no clue why he didn't re raise push. I'm very confused.

If you did bet pot on each round then I think you played it perfectly, bad result. 100% gotta think you win too when he just smooth calls, very odd.

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

You needed to pot this on the flop and turn because the fact is your full house is Aces full of 2's. Anyone with an Ace may still have 9 outs to create a better full house than you (assuming you don't have cards that counterfeit each other.) To put it into a Hold'Em perspective, it would be as if they were going on just a flush draw when you have the better hand. That's a much higher likelihood of someone improving to beat you than I think you thought it was.

Now, if you have a flop like ATA and your hand is something like AKJT you can afford to slowplay it a lot more. The only card that can really beat you is a Q, so the chances of getting sucked out are much lower.

I'm honestly baffled by the river call on Villain's part, but that's the beauty of Omaha donks.

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:10 am Post subject:

Not again... similar kind of scenario:

Full Tilt Poker Game #2065264816: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (15492028), Table 1 - 15/30 - Pot Limit Omaha - 6:01:52 ET - 2007/03/25
Seat 1: cliffdrop (45)
Seat 2: hellzwindstaff (1,230)
Seat 3: mccarroll640 (1,545)
Seat 4: MrFoxwoods (1,260)
Seat 5: Flying_Kiwi (2,010)
Seat 6: Rob 89074 (1,290)
Seat 7: jaydog51 (1,470)
Seat 8: harry901 (1,470)
Seat 9: ShayleyW (3,180)
MrFoxwoods posts the small blind of 15
Flying_Kiwi posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Flying_Kiwi [8s 2h Tc 9h]
ShayleyW: ty
Rob 89074 calls 30
jaydog51 folds
harry901 folds
ShayleyW calls 30
cliffdrop calls 30
hellzwindstaff calls 30
mccarroll640 calls 30
MrFoxwoods calls 15
Flying_Kiwi checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 2d 5s]
MrFoxwoods checks
Flying_Kiwi checks
Rob 89074 checks
ShayleyW checks
cliffdrop checks
hellzwindstaff checks
mccarroll640 checks
*** TURN *** [8h 2d 5s] [8c]
MrFoxwoods bets 30
Flying_Kiwi raises to 300
Rob 89074 folds
ShayleyW folds
cliffdrop folds
hellzwindstaff folds
mccarroll640 folds
MrFoxwoods calls 270
*** RIVER *** [8h 2d 5s 8c] [7c]
MrFoxwoods bets 810
Flying_Kiwi calls 810
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MrFoxwoods shows [8d 3s 7h 7s] (a full house, Eights full of Sevens)
Flying_Kiwi mucks
MrFoxwoods wins the pot (2,430) with a full house, Eights full of Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,430 | Rake 0
Board: [8h 2d 5s 8c 7c]
Seat 1: cliffdrop folded on the Turn
Seat 2: hellzwindstaff folded on the Turn
Seat 3: mccarroll640 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: MrFoxwoods (small blind) showed [8d 3s 7h 7s] and won (2,430) with a full house, Eights full of Sevens
Seat 5: Flying_Kiwi (big blind) mucked [8s 2h Tc 9h] - a full house, Eights full of Twos
Seat 6: Rob 89074 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: jaydog51 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: harry901 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: ShayleyW folded on the Turn

Would you be folding to the river bet?

dodge these · Straight Flush Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 457

NO, but I'm just not that good. But although there are 2 better potentiall boats out there at this level it is Just as likely someone hit the str8 rather ot just had the pocket 7's without the 8 that filled up, so I think in the long run you lose more often than not by folding the thierd best possible hand in this spot.

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