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aceMEbaybeee · Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: Flopping Quads

Last night I was playing $25 PL Omaha and flopped quads twice. Once with 3s and once with Js. When I hit the 3s, I checked the flop. Turn brought my adversary a strt, so when I checked, he bet into me. I called that bet, and then half-pot raised his river bet. Obviously, I made a little money, but certainly not much. When I flopped the Js, I was on the button, and checked flop and turn in the hopes the two guys in the pot with me might hit an over set (I should mention that my hand was AAJJ double suited, so I had pot raised pre-flop). The river brought a third club, so I made a pot sized bet trying to get a crying call. I didn't get called, and chose to show my lovely quads. One of the fellows at my table commented that he had never seen quads played so badly. I'm not sure how I could have gotten paid off any better on the first scenario, and am clueless as to how I would have been able to suck a bet, much less a call, from anyone when I had the Js given my preflop raise.

So, my question ... how could I have played the hand(s) better in order to get a better payoff ... or is waiting and hoping your opponent hits the only real option? Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

Ace

PS - I tried asking Mike Matusow earlier today, but he wouldn't answer me. Guess he was busy playing. Would've liked his imput.

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4129 Location: ROK

Monster hands will usually play themselves out. Either you're going to get paid off no matter what, or you're not, no matter what. It's hard to get paid off on those big hands because you hold all the cards. I'd concentrate on improving my play in smaller pots with marginal holdings before worrying about playing monsters.

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

First situation, I'd probably play it much the same way. You're really looking for someone to hit their card to make an overfull (like someone with QQxx hitting a Q.) Then you're getting paid off huge. Other than that you probably won't get paid off on big bets.

You may have wanted to try a half pot bet in the second situation. This may bring in a low full house or decent flush along for the ride. It's much harder to get paid off on quads when the quads are high cards. This is because it's far more likely for the Jack to be in play, and there won't be much that can improve over a full house made by those 2 jacks (especially when no one has a jack but you.)

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

In the second hand you describe, where you raised it up preflop and then the flop was checked around to you on the button... I think you really should make some sort of bet there -- it will look like a continuation bet, like somebody with Aces up who thinks that he probably has the best hand and who wants to push out any draws.

By not trying to take down the pot on the flop, you're either playing weak-tight or you're not worried about getting outdrawn. If your recent history at the table doesn't show weak-tight play, your opponents may figure that you flopped a monster.

I suspect your opponent who said that you played quads "so badly" was just trying to get under your skin a bit. You could misplay flopped quads every time you get them and it won't likely make much difference in the long run -- you're probably talking about less than 1 hand in 10,000 where you flop quads and where you can get paid off by somebody who hits something like top boat.

ketz · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject:

aceMEbaybeee · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the input everyone. I actually thought about the continuation bet on the Js, but after my raise pre-flop, I thought it prudent to hope someone would try to steal. It isn't often that I face that situation, so I readily admit I was at a bit of a loss as to how to do better than I did. Ironically, it was twice in maybe 5 or 10 hands ... off the scale lucky.

DC11GE · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject:

Here's another way to do it:

Full Tilt Poker Game #1983366465: Table FTP Forum - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 21:59:03 ET - 2007/03/13
Seat 1: clussman ($7.45)
Seat 2: Strasse ($19.10)
Seat 3: DC11GE ($22)
Seat 4: menzdavid ($6.80)
Seat 5: giraffekat ($14.55)
Seat 7: Pil Sung ($18.35)
Seat 8: scorpnatica ($8.70)
Strasse posts the small blind of $0.10
DC11GE has 5 seconds left to act
DC11GE posts the big blind of $0.25
scorpnatica posts $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DC11GE [Js Jh]
menzdavid folds
giraffekat folds
Pil Sung folds
scorpnatica raises to $0.50
clussman folds
Strasse folds
DC11GE raises to $0.75
scorpnatica raises to $1
DC11GE calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [9c Jd Jc]
Strasse: yeah, raise dat sh*t
DC11GE checks
scorpnatica bets $0.25
DC11GE calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [9c Jd Jc] [2h]
DC11GE checks
scorpnatica bets $0.50
DC11GE raises to $1
Jazz4buddha sits down
scorpnatica raises to $1.50
Jazz4buddha adds $5
Strasse: yeah
Strasse: yeah
DC11GE raises to $2
scorpnatica calls $0.50
Strasse: im excited
*** RIVER *** [9c Jd Jc 2h] [5c]
DC11GE bets $0.50
scorpnatica raises to $1
DC11GE raises to $1.50
scorpnatica raises to $2
DC11GE calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
scorpnatica shows [5h 5s] (a full house, Fives full of Jacks)
DC11GE shows [Js Jh] (four of a kind, Jacks)
DC11GE wins the pot ($10.10) with four of a kind, Jacks
Strasse: lmao
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.60 | Rake $0.50
Board: [9c Jd Jc 2h 5c]
Seat 1: clussman (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Strasse (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: DC11GE (big blind) showed [Js Jh] and won ($10.10) with four of a kind, Jacks
Seat 4: menzdavid didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: giraffekat didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Pil Sung didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: scorpnatica showed [5h 5s] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Jacks

The funny thing is that I think I missed capping it on the flop. I didn't think it this hand was gonna go all the way. He must've been figured I was on a flush draw. After the rest of the action, he was never gonna let this hand go even if a 5 didn't river. Sucks this wan't NL Smile

Strasse · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject:

I think my comments made the HH better.

drone540 · Full House Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 165

+1 for how DC11GE said.

It's pretty close to impossibly to loose when you've got a hand like this...... so it's best to give them some free cards... and if they bet... raise them to make them think, that you believe they are bluffing. They'll most likely always call if they got a Ace or Hit something, or are on a draw..... sometimes even less.

rawz · High Card Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 14

I must be playin on diferent tables then everyone postin in here cuz quads on FTP in Omaha is as frequent as top pair in holdem on this site ....

doorbread · Two Pair Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 61

There wasn't much you could do there. Maybe put a small bet out on the flop. (Less than 1/2 the pot) After you open on the button, it's not out of the question that your opponents would put you on a continuation bet and make a call. Maybe check the turn then put a big bet out on the river to make it seem more so that you're trying to buy it.

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