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11Finger · High Card Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 10

Anyone care to comment on the hand below ? Did I do the right thing ? Should I just have called pre flop and hope to hit trips ? I was pretty sure he had ace-rag when he reraised me (which turned out to be correct) but was the all in the right move or should I have laid it down ?

FullTiltPoker Game #260410615: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (1675785), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:21:02 ET - 2005/10/21
Seat 1: sparkybd (3,240)
Seat 3: jadie56 (2,175)
Seat 5: SlimProdigy (1,610)
Seat 6: CHillyDoggy (1,630)
Seat 7: 11Finger (1,710)
Seat 8: UpNDownNUp (1,720)
Seat 9: Shahshank42 (1,415)
CHillyDoggy posts the small blind of 30
11Finger posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 11Finger [Js Jh]
UpNDownNUp calls 60
Shahshank42 calls 60
sparkybd calls 60
jadie56 folds
SlimProdigy folds
CHillyDoggy folds
11Finger raises to 350
UpNDownNUp folds
Shahshank42 folds
sparkybd raises to 1,200
11Finger has 15 seconds left to act
11Finger raises to 1,710, and is all in
sparkybd calls 510
11Finger shows [Js Jh]
sparkybd shows [8c Ah]
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5h 2s]
*** TURN *** [Ad 5h 2s] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5h 2s 7h] [8s]
11Finger shows a pair of Jacks
sparkybd shows two pair, Aces and Eights
sparkybd wins the pot (3,570) with two pair, Aces and Eights
11Finger stands up
The blinds are now 40/80
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,570 | Rake 0
Board: [Ad 5h 2s 7h 8s]
Seat 1: sparkybd showed [8c Ah] and won (3,570) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 3: jadie56 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: SlimProdigy (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: CHillyDoggy (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: 11Finger (big blind) showed [Js Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: UpNDownNUp folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Shahshank42 folded before the Flop

BOYNAMEDSUE · Moderator Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 9111 Location: Mypos

I like re-reraising all-in better than just calling the reraise, committing you to the flop anyway (I've actually seen people do that). I don't know if I'd put all my chips in jeopardy early in the sng, with just JJ. But you did have the best hand. So good job.

A8o? What's up with that? Maybe he thought you were pulling a fast one. Kids now in days think everyone's pulling a fast one, all the time. It gives them an excuse to push all their chips in with marginal hands. They also love calling all-ins with weak aces, because they saw someone on the WPT do it once.

There�s another play kids do. They�ll flop a flush draw, and instead of folding to a pot size bet, they'll raise big, so then they have to call the re-reraise. They�re not getting the odds, so they�ll raise, and create the odds.

Kids. Pfffft!

MRxINCREDIBLE · Pair Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 21 Location: Nashville, TN

dano2769 · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject:

You had your money in with the best. That's all that matters. Don't be so results oriented.

searfoss · Two Pair Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 64

First, you have to be results oriented in a tournament game. He did not have the option of pulling 20 bucks out of his pocket to continue playing. That is why it is generally a wise move to lay down what you think is the best hand when you also think it is only marginally better.

But in this circumstance, the jacks were better than a 2 to 1 favorite, if he was right that the other guy was playing a weak ace. If I felt strongly that he indeed had a weak ace I would have done the exact same thing in a $24 single table tournament. If you decide to fold to his reraise then you're going to be sitting there watching this guy shove his money in over and over. Taking your stand when you're 2 to 1 to win is a reasonable decision, even if early in the tournament.

Now, put me in this predicament early in a multi-table tournament and I may feel differently, instead chosing to lay down the jacks (or perhaps not raising with them in the first place).

And btw, I liked your initial raise to $350 from the bb, with so many limpers, though I wouldn't do it every time I had jj in the bb. Sometimes I'd take the free card and hope for a set, or rags on the flop.

Funkay Flex · Straight Flush Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 487 Location: VA

UrbanMeyer1 · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject:

No, even more so in a SNG format, you can't be results oriented. You're put in the same situation all too often. This is player dependent at the 22s, it's about 50/50. You have plenty of room to still lay it down this early, but most people at the 22s are doing this kind of play.

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