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mathman1115
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 Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: Some "low" and strategy clarification |
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Thinking of trying out a little 08. Just want to make sure i got it.....
1a)Suppose i have A2xx. Flop comes 87xx. This means i have a nut low draw, correct? Any 3,4,5,6 gives me the nut low?
1b)Suppose i have KT32. Flop comes KK9. There is no low possibility, correct?
1c)Suppose I have TJQK. Flop comes TJ4. This means that it would have to go runner runner any card less than 9 (not a 4) for a low to be even possible, correct? Should i still be afraid of people playing low cards with decent size bets on the flop?
Now for some strategy:
2a)I have Ah2hKdKs. flop comes Kh5s8h. This means i have the nut set, with a draw to the nut flush, and a draw to the nut low. This is pretty much as good as it gets, right?
Is it always correct to put all in if possible with a nut high/low and a draw to the nut low/high, or is this a slow playing type of hand?
2b)I hear its best to play hands that give you the best chance of scooping both pots. Does that mean a hand like AAJK is not good? Or is it worth it to see a flop in hopes that a low cannot be possible? Should i be preflop raising with a hand like this, or limping?
2c)Should i be raising with hands like KdKsAc3c? This is a good high and low possibility, but a lot still has to happen. What hands should i expect people to raise with preflop?
I realize some of this can be too general, but any help is appreciated. I just want to get a "feel" for the game before i play. |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Some "low" and strategy clarification |
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Thinking of trying out a little 08. Just want to make sure i got it.....
1a)Suppose i have A2xx. Flop comes 87xx. This means i have a nut low draw, correct? Any 3,4,5,6 gives me the nut low?
Yes, but any 2 or A effectively kills your hand multi way, which is why a backup is always good.
1b)Suppose i have KT32. Flop comes KK9. There is no low possibility, correct?
Correct(However, the only reason you should be playing K1032 is if you are in the BB or shorthanded.
1c)Suppose I have TJQK. Flop comes TJ4. This means that it would have to go runner runner any card less than 9 (not a 4) for a low to be even possible, correct? Should i still be afraid of people playing low cards with decent size bets on the flop?
That all depends on if it is suited primarily. A suited flop made lead to a low backdooring(or scooping). Occasionally you may get a low hanger on who had a J or who liked their 3 low so much they called anyway.
Now for some strategy:
2a)I have Ah2hKdKs. flop comes Kh5s8h. This means i have the nut set, with a draw to the nut flush, and a draw to the nut low. This is pretty much as good as it gets, right?
Is it always correct to put all in if possible with a nut high/low and a draw to the nut low/high, or is this a slow playing type of hand?
This is a monster that WANTS callers, it plays really well multiway. I'd only raise to build, not isolate, early on.
2b)I hear its best to play hands that give you the best chance of scooping both pots. Does that mean a hand like AAJK is not good? Or is it worth it to see a flop in hopes that a low cannot be possible? Should i be preflop raising with a hand like this, or limping?
It's worth playing to a raise if you are playing at a solid table w/several callers.(Likely stacked deck -high cards). Always worth playing in later positions.
2c)Should i be raising with hands like KdKsAc3c? This is a good high and low possibility, but a lot still has to happen. What hands should i expect people to raise with preflop?
It's a good hand to try to isolate with in position. You will see people raising all srts of complete garbage. Wait to see what people showdown to determine what style to play.
I realize some of this can be too general, but any help is appreciated. I just want to get a "feel" for the game before i play. |
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DJ Ninjah
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Z did a pretty good job in answering you, but I have a few things to add.
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1c)Suppose I have TJQK. Flop comes TJ4. This means that it would have to go runner runner any card less than 9 (not a 4) for a low to be even possible, correct? Should i still be afraid of people playing low cards with decent size bets on the flop?
That all depends on if it is suited primarily. A suited flop made lead to a low backdooring(or scooping). Occasionally you may get a low hanger on who had a J or who liked their 3 low so much they called anyway. |
Depends on your limit, but people LOVE to draw for the low. Even if they aren't, they may be drawing to something else and have a back door draw at the low as well. It's almost never unreasonable to suspect at any point that if a low is out there, someone probably has it (if the pot has 3 or more people, it's almost a gaurantee).
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2b)I hear its best to play hands that give you the best chance of scooping both pots. Does that mean a hand like AAJK is not good? Or is it worth it to see a flop in hopes that a low cannot be possible? Should i be preflop raising with a hand like this, or limping?
It's worth playing to a raise if you are playing at a solid table w/several callers.(Likely stacked deck -high cards). Always worth playing in later positions. |
Almost every one undervalues the high. First of all, it less likely that you will be sharing it and risk getting quartered. Second, you benefit when 2 or 3 people call for the low and you are really the only one in contention for the high. Third, having the high hand on a high only board is the easiest way to scoop a pot in O/8. My advice for playing it limp/call early. Raise late.
Lastly, in regards to 2c, go ahead and raise that freely. Some people would say limp/call early, but it's really a matter of preference. However, in regards to pre-flop play in general, I'd say don't fear raising on account of the number to players that will call and the speculative nature of O/8 hands. But with few exceptions, don't re-raise unless you think most people will call anyway and you are trying to build a pot, or are playing AAxx and you think you will take the pot down/only get one caller. For one, due to the speculative nature of the hands, you don't really want to invest A LOT into pots before you see the flop. Also, a lot of the best hands in O/8 play well against multiple opponents, so you don't want to thin the field too much. |
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