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HuJwang
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 Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: help a limit noob out |
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Full Tilt Poker Game #1867940594: Table Gulliver (speed) - $0.50/$1 - Limit Hold'em - 1:42:12 ET - 2007/02/25
Seat 1: 192873645 ($351.40)
Seat 2: Swezil ($99)
Seat 3: ikeyNmikey333 ($23.35)
Seat 4: badfishjr ($24)
Seat 5: AKplayer49 ($29.05)
Seat 6: Inthewell ($14.70)
Seat 7: brc_homer ($31.10)
Seat 8: MTPocketz81 ($56.55)
Seat 9: HuJwang ($19.50)
MTPocketz81 has 3 seconds left to act
MTPocketz81 posts the small blind of $0.25
HuJwang posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HuJwang [Ac 9d]
192873645 folds
Swezil calls $0.50
ikeyNmikey333 folds
badfishjr folds
AKplayer49 calls $0.50
Inthewell calls $0.50
brc_homer folds
MTPocketz81 calls $0.25
HuJwang checks
*** FLOP *** [8d Ad Ts]
MTPocketz81 checks
HuJwang bets $0.50
Swezil calls $0.50
AKplayer49 folds
Inthewell folds
MTPocketz81 folds
*** TURN *** [8d Ad Ts] [Jd]
what do i do with this strange turn card? 5th hand at the table so no stats/reads...
check/call? bet, call a raise? bet and reraise? i don't think i should be folding here... |
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honkythunder
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| You have top pair with a weak flush draw and an up-and-down str8 draw. Definately bet out and reraise if possible. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| You have top pair with a weak flush draw and an up-and-down str8 draw. Definately bet out and reraise if possible. |
And what's the point of 3-betting this turn? Do you really think that we do well enough against a raising range to do it for value? There's a decent chance that we're drawing dead after all, and the pot is already heads-up. |
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mathman1115
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Interesting. If swezil had an ace with a higher kicker, i think he would raise your flop bet to get rid of any flush draws. I dont' think he would call with a low pp. He either has AT and is inducing action or he has a hand like KT suited.
I would check the turn and see what he does now that it is heads up. If he bets, i think you are beat, maybe even drawing dead. If he bets, i probably fold here, but you could call and see what happens on the river.
If a 4th diamond hits, check call the river, if not, you may have to fold. |
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griffinlord
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Since you don't have any info on villian I say call it down and get some information.
At these limits villian could be playing about anything including 6-3d so you might be dead or drawing very thin. On the other hand he could be playing pocket 7s and you are way ahead.
Or he could have pocket 8s and was waiting for the turn to raise.
Absent more information on villian you have no way to make a good decision. If you call down you lose the minimum if you are behind and still pick up a couple of bets if you are ahead/draw out. Either way you get to see villian's hand at showdown and start getting some info. |
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fire_eyes_2k
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Bet the turn and if raised, check/call down unless you hit the 7 on the river in which case you should probably lead out. |
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honkythunder
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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At .50/1.00 checking the turn to get information is useless. This level is full of hybrid-donks that will call anything but also bet out EVERY STINKING TIME its checked to them. I still say raise and/or reraise because raising is SEXY! YEAH!
In all seriousness I still say bet out but probably just call down if reraised. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: Re: help a limit noob out |
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*** TURN *** [8d Ad Ts] [Jd]
HuJwang bets $1
Swezil calls $1
*** RIVER *** [8d Ad Ts Jd] [Kd]
now what? |
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craigo6x
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| There's only two diamonds that beat you. Check call the river. |
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mathman1115
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i'd bet the river with your 3rd best flush. You want to value bet if he has a Q (for the str8), two pair, or even top pair (remember this is limit). There are many more hands that you beat than beat you here.
If he raises, i think you can convidently fold, but i'm pretty sure you have the best hand. If you aren't willing to fold to a raise, you may have to just check call the river. I'd hate to see him get a free showdown with something like 2 pair here. |
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craigo6x
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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i'd bet the river with your 3rd best flush. You want to value bet if he has a Q (for the str8), two pair, or even top pair (remember this is limit). There are many more hands that you beat than beat you here.
If he raises, i think you can convidently fold, but i'm pretty sure you have the best hand. If you aren't willing to fold to a raise, you may have to just check call the river. I'd hate to see him get a free showdown with something like 2 pair here. |
That's exactly why you check call the river. Why fold when you have already invested a big bet? For that same big bet you get a show down by check calling. |
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mathman1115
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
That's exactly why you check call the river. Why fold when you have already invested a big bet? For that same big bet you get a show down by check calling. |
There are about 20 second best hands he could have here that he will pay you off with. High two pair, top pair, anything with a Q, set, etc.
This is a value bet situation, and he will only raise with the nut flush, so you should be able to fold to a raise, limit or not. This is a scary board for any hand except the nuts. If you check, and he bets the nuts or the 2nd nuts, and you call, you still lose one big bet anyway. |
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craigo6x
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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That's exactly why you check call the river. Why fold when you have already invested a big bet? For that same big bet you get a show down by check calling. |
There are about 20 second best hands he could have here that he will pay you off with. High two pair, top pair, anything with a Q, set, etc.
This is a value bet situation, and he will only raise with the nut flush, so you should be able to fold to a raise, limit or not. This is a scary board for any hand except the nuts. If you check, and he bets the nuts or the 2nd nuts, and you call, you still lose one big bet anyway. |
If I'm going to invest a Big bet, I want to see the cards. Your suggestion has him folding his hand after betting $1 on the river when it costs him another $1 into $8.50 pot. All he is giving up by not "value betting" that board is one big bet vs folding to a raise and losing out on 7.5 big bets. |
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honkythunder
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I lead out with a bet here. If he reraises I call. We might be beat but we wont be beat enough of the time to give a free showdown. This is .50/1.00 LHE. Villian could have 2d3d or maybe just a ten.
No way do I fold on this river no matter what. If I'm beat I still want to see his cards. |
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fire_eyes_2k
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| The river is a bit scary but you should still bet and call a raise here. You've played the hand as if you have top pair all the way, so he could be confident raising with ANY diamond, 2pair or possibly even a complete bluff at a scary board. (Yes they do happen and I've seen them work) |
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