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Online Poker Forum - Building a bankroll at low limits
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Big Slick x13x
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Location: ROK

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StevieWard wrote:
Big Slick x13x wrote:
Very Basic BR Management:

NL
To Play the Level comfortably and regularly: 50x Max Buy in
To take a shot at the next level: 20x Max Buy in

Limit
Comfortably: 500 big bets
Take a shot: 300 big bets

SNGs
Comfortably: 35-50x buy in + fee
Take a shot: 20x buy in + fee

Tourneys
Comfortably: 100x Buy in + fee
Take a shot: whatever you don't mind losing, I usually use a portion of my profit to buy into whatever tournament I feel like.

For the poster that took second in a freeroll and don't know what to do. I suggest you play the $1.25 45 man and 90 man sngs. They are very soft and you say you're a good tournament player so they should fit you well.


Is 50 X max buy in not a bit overkill? You could surely have a stab at the next level with a BR that big?

I am quite inexperienced with BR myself, and i'm looking to get to a level of around 15 - 20 buy ins which I think i would do okay with. 50 seems quite high?


You could do just fine with 20 buy ins, however 50x is recommended because of the possible downswings. I've had downswings of over 12 buy ins more then once. I've recovered from each, but the first time I was playing with just your basic 20x BR and that left me with 8 buy ins ,which isn't enough to really play comfortably so I had to drop levels and rebuild which takes forever.

Even the best players have huge downswings. Sbrugby had a 30x buy in downswing earlier this year.

Notice I did say that 20x is good for taking shots at the next level. You can have 50x and play your level comfortably while taking a shot every now and then at higher levels.
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JBNYC
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Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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Location: New York City

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive been able to turn $300 into $1700 in only four or so hours by playing $100 heads up SNGs and after winning two or three of those, going into a $2 $4 cash game.

Unfortunantly, i havent been able to hold onto any of my winnings because after my initial HUGE wins, i continue to play for too long and eventually, lose everything. Thus, to make $, i would advise in going all out and taking some risks but once you make it, log off and save it for another day. Dont play exhausted and dont go on tilt if you lose lets say, only 10 % of your stack. Ive lost way too much after making a ton way to many times.
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Plays4Coins
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Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot what magazine it was, but in an interview, Chris Ferguson took $1 to 20k, just to see if he could do it.
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DeadMoneyDad
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Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plays4Coins wrote:
I forgot what magazine it was, but in an interview, Chris Ferguson took $1 to 20k, just to see if he could do it.


Yes that is true, and a few years ago.

Chris took on a new challenge to build a bankroll from ZERO, forcing him to have to play in freerolls to start. I think it's been about 18 months or so and he is up to around $2,500.00.
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Spigwish
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommorrow (Jul 23), starting at 14:30 EST, Pokerstars is offering a series of "National" $100 freerolls. Specified nations have different starting times. I don't know if this has been widely advertised, so the field may be of a reasonable size. Stars does not often offer pure cash prize freerolls, so this is a good opportunity for those building a bankroll. Stars freerolls are usually feeders into a weekly game.

Look in the private tab for these games. US plays at 18:00 and 21:00, and Canada at 19:30.
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audsb
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Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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Location: Oakland

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

read jesus' pro tips... best explanation for me.
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lmagine
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Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBNYC wrote:
ive been able to turn $300 into $1700 in only four or so hours by playing $100 heads up SNGs and after winning two or three of those, going into a $2 $4 cash game.

Unfortunantly, i havent been able to hold onto any of my winnings because after my initial HUGE wins, i continue to play for too long and eventually, lose everything. Thus, to make $, i would advise in going all out and taking some risks but once you make it, log off and save it for another day. Dont play exhausted and dont go on tilt if you lose lets say, only 10 % of your stack. Ive lost way too much after making a ton way to many times.


I wish I had started reading these threads 3 days ago when I started. A little late now and I'm learning it the hard way. Similar experience to yours. Started with $50 and got some huge wins in LHE. Got it up to $700 within 5 hours and then lost it all within an hour. Regret sure makes a lonely companion, but at least now I've learned my lesson.
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kb5zcr
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Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Posts: 8

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CheckRazeMudr, I don't want to offend you but I looked you up after reading your post about how you won all this money on Pokerstars and Tilt and decided to run you in Sharkscope. Your record is below. Of course, this is only your tourney play. I couldn't find your $5600 win where you quote "Within my first 3 weeks I built up and won my first big Gaurantee and took in 5600$ on one tourney."

Your record shows that your total profit for Full Tilt is negative $88. and for PokerStars it is positive $22.

Am I missing something here? Please tell me I am mistaken.

Here is a cut and paste of your record from sharkscope. It didn't want to paste right so if you have any doubts, go to sharkscope and run yourself.

Username/ Games Played/ Av. Profit / Av. Stake/ Av. ROI/ Total Profit/ Form/ Network/ Filter/
ChekRazeMudr/ 25/ -$3/ $5/ -70%/ -$88/ Tilt/ FullTilt/ x/
ChekRazeMudr/ 73/ $0/ $3/ 7%/ $22/ - PokerStars



Thanks, kb5zcr
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subiime
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Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Posts: 142

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lmagine wrote:
JBNYC wrote:
ive been able to turn $300 into $1700 in only four or so hours by playing $100 heads up SNGs and after winning two or three of those, going into a $2 $4 cash game.

Unfortunantly, i havent been able to hold onto any of my winnings because after my initial HUGE wins, i continue to play for too long and eventually, lose everything. Thus, to make $, i would advise in going all out and taking some risks but once you make it, log off and save it for another day. Dont play exhausted and dont go on tilt if you lose lets say, only 10 % of your stack. Ive lost way too much after making a ton way to many times.


I wish I had started reading these threads 3 days ago when I started. A little late now and I'm learning it the hard way. Similar experience to yours. Started with $50 and got some huge wins in LHE. Got it up to $700 within 5 hours and then lost it all within an hour. Regret sure makes a lonely companion, but at least now I've learned my lesson.


Worst feeling ever. That's also how I learned when I first started. Hell, I still make that same mistake.
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PinkJacket
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Joined: 31 Aug 2007
Posts: 31

PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started with 10$ and i'm at 615$ right now..
Takes discipline and make sure you dont play when you feel you shouldn'
t.. IE - Tired.. I've done it a couple times and lost money when I knew i shouldn't play..
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dixiechckin
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Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Posts: 12

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahaha, I knew that long post about "my kids couldn't eat and I had this medical condition" sounded like a load of b.s. Tha's hilarious.

How long did it take him to make that up?
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boston5500
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Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChekRazeMudr's stats at www.officialpokerrankings.com confirm what he says. There's a big $5k+ win in there. Sharkscope only reports SNGs not MTTs.
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pcola pat
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Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Posts: 427
Location: pensacola, fl

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fire eyes2k wrote:

Quote:
SNGs: 25 buyins including rake
Cash Games: 1000 Big Blinds
MTTs: Never enter for more than 2% of you bankroll.


I was looking for something I could write down and put in my wallet, something simple I could refer to for BRM. Thank you fire eyes2k.

Currently I am playing low limit sit n go low limit MTT and .5 .10 cash games. I started out with fifty bucks and am up to about eighty. Nice to know when I can move up a level, still have a ways to go yet.
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nitropickin
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Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 71

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHAT DO YOU NEED A WALLET FOR? YOU DONT HAVE ANY MONEY TO PUT IN IT. YOU ARE A LOLIFE TRAILER PARK LOSER.GO TO JERRY SPRINGER! AND ITS STILL FIXED.
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pcola pat
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Location: pensacola, fl

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your obviously trying to get banned. I can help you with that ambition. Suggestion, why don't you just focus your aggression toward the moderators who posts on this site.

Stop following me around on this forum as well. I post here to dicuss poker, your idiotic rhetoric is getting in my damn way.
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