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TilterRick · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject:

I had to sticky this one. I thought it had some great advice, and I hate to see it drop on the list of threads.

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure I totally agree with Mathman's ideas about variety. Sure the same thing gets boring, but if you're building a bankroll you need to stick to what you're good at or at least profitable at. My suggestion would be to spread your bankroll over 2 sites. Have one site for BR Building, and one for playing with for fun or learning a new game.

Also, I firmly believe that there is more money in cash games than SNGs, and they definitely rack up those profitable bonus points a lot quicker than tourney fees do. As for bonuses, they definitely can make a big difference to your bankroll. I recently did a little test to see what the ratios were for my game and for every dollar I made at the tables, I made $2.5 in bonuses.

Patience and discipline are the absoloute key, get rich quick stories like Chris Moneymaker are few and far between, and thousands of people have since tried, failed and lost hundreds/thousands of dollars in the process. If you're on a good run then good for you, don't move up levels too quickly as doubling the stakes means you can double your swings.
Some general guidelines from my experience of what you need for whatever stakes you play:

SNGs: 25 buyins including rake
Cash Games: 1000 Big Blinds
MTTs: Never enter for more than 2% of you bankroll.

TheImmortalO · Pair Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 47

Since it has already been stickied, can us (the newbs) get a lil' bit in-depth advices?
This thread is already full with great advices, and i'd wanted to hear more about this 'awesome' promotions.

I played myself a lil' bit over 200SNGs so far, and got a decent amount of points (at PS); i have just learnt about these rakeback websites and since i have accounts opened pretty much every (even if many are without a BR), it seems i can not take advantages of these.
Furthermore, i find the points systems (pretty similar no matter the website) very attractive "at a glance", but quite hard to achieve something with them - besides a branded shirt or cap every now and then.
It will take me somewhere upto 10years at the 5.5$ SNGs to get a 215$ tournament buyin through FPs : Shocked

gutony · Three of a Kind Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 93

i am currently doing exactly what you say..building a bankroll off low limit tables. i deposited 50 bucks and am up to 150 3 days later. the bonus has given me 15 bucks so far with 35 to go. you have to have a strategy in order to build. mine is to play dollar sngs when im bored but mostly .05/.10 tables and with the cap. ive currently made about 60 bucks from cap .05/.10. i plan on moving to the next level(.10/.25) when i reach 250 bucks because that is 10 times the max buyin of 25. to build a bankroll you should only play blinds if you got at least 10 times the max buyin.also i think the cap games are great because you cant lose your whole stack to one mistake or bad beat. the real money is in the rooms but the easier money is in the sngs. well i hope it helps good luck to you

mathman1115 · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:22 am Post subject:

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acekicker626 · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject:

oh yea its very possible i my slef play in the 5.50 , 10 dollar SNGs after wining a few of those i will sing up for a 90 man SNG i dont recomend playing in user rooms you can lose hard eaned money fast

pokerfees33 · High Card Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 19

Hey look i'm a semi pro player.. and u can tell u all for a fact that building up low is basically impossible.

Fact - 95% of online players lose long term cuz rake takes all the money!!! thats a fact i can assure u!!!! been proven many times.

This is cuz the only people winning is really the site... 5% at a time every hand u ever win. Over thousands of hands i can tell u that for a fact the only people winning long term is full tilt.

This place is a conjob..

A new site lets up now play 100% free though.. called Worldpx.com. Support them.. play for free.. and have a chance at actually winning.

They take rake but give 100% refunds every Mondays. No kidding.. i play there everday.

tommy2funny · High Card Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Chicago

I have been playing for a fairly decent amount of time. Probably on and off for a little over 2 years.
I have had a few 300 dollar nights and have had plenty of $100 to $150 nights.
With that being said I believe it is possible to get a pretty good payroll going off low limit games. Just be patient and don't get aggrivated if you lose to some bad beats. When you lose your mind you lose the game.

I like to mix up my games a little here and there and see what is working for me during that night.
If you sit at a .05/.10 no-limit and you find yourself winning a fair amount of hnds at a table then stick around. I sometimes like to treat these tables like a tourney table. When I find myself to be over the max sit in for the table I tend to act like the large stack would at a tourney table.
Once you run a few players off that table you start to feel like that is your table and no one can touch you.
When you get that feeling stick with it and stay confident. There are alot of bad players on the site and if your patient they are just waiting to give there money away.

Well thats the small limit tables but my favorite thing to do with my low budget is hit up the heads up tables. I know you can make more money at a raked game table but heads up matches are farely fast and you know how much you will win or lose. Scratch lose keep confident, WIN!

Well you can get alot of games out of a $50 dollar deposit and you learn alot playing heads up. Your head is able to focus on you, the cards, and the player sitting across from you.

Ok here is the plan behind the low cost heads up matches.
Play a few $2.25 matches and then take that little bit of winnings and move on up to $5.50 matches and so on and so forth.
If your realy tight on money and get a little worried about money lost then don't use your deposit on the higher pot games until you are nice and comfty behind your cards. Use your winnings on the higher pot games. Almost like climbing a ladder.
Also mix up your games a little don't just focus on heads up matches. You will learn alot at heads up table but you won't learn how to take down 300 players or better in a larger table.
When you start to figure out the software and how to play more than one game at a time then your gonna build your bank roll alot faster.
While playing a match you can play a few more at the same time.
Do a mixture of a heads up open and a table of 6 or 9. These 6 or 9 tables take awhile and you have to be very patient but having a heads up match keeps you occupied and it's easier to stay awake while your patiently waiting to take out the larger table.

Most low limit heads up players are in experienced and can at most times be fairly easy to take out. My favorite Heads up are the $20 buy in. There is a pretty good chance that the person your up against is a fairly good player which makes the game pretty exciting at times.

Bonus ftp is something you should take advantage of. You will earn points just for entering a tourney with cash. It's not much but it's a start. If you win your tourney then your ftp will be increased and thats a great start to earning your bonus cash and prizes.

Well I hope this helped and I hope I don't get to much greef for this one, but hey it works for me.
Good luck and maybe I'll see you at a table.
One last thing take advantage of free rolls and free entry tourneys. There are some idiots in these tourneys but once they are knocked out they make out to be pretty exciting towards the last few tables. You'll learn how to play in larger tourneys and how to control your chips.

Ok Have fun.

mathman1115 · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:38 am Post subject:

Don Vito 89 · High Card Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 1

hey i wonder if anyone can help me.i am new to full tilt poker and only a play money player.they gave me 1,000 chips to start out and i have run dry.how do i get more play money chips? help would be appreciated

tommy2funny · High Card Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Chicago

honkythunder · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject:

Here is some information that I'll throw out for free (which is about what it's worth) regarding builing a bankroll from $50.

It CAN be done - I've done it five times now.

You CAN then blow the whole thing - I've done it five times now.

Take my advice for what it's worth (not much) - If you should happen to do a good job with a small deposit, like build it up to $400-600, GOOD JOB!

What you now SHOULD do - keep doing exactly what got you there.

What you now SHOULD NOT do - decide you must be really awesome, get all charged up about how much more you will make now since you can play way higher, and instantly start playing way more hours because obviously you are really really good and can't afford not to be playing every waking hour. Remember - just two days ago you only played when you were up for it and conditions were prime (no kids to take care of, you were alert and not tired, you were in a good mood, etc...).

What you now SHOULD do - learn HORSE. A good player can KILL low-limit HORSE. In my experience HORSE has the lowest varience of any game. HORSE can become your game to go to when you want a few relatively easier cashes and also can become your 'mix-it-up-for-a-change' game.

What you now SHOULD NOT do - prove to yourself that you are the big dog that you think you are by playing a bunch of $26 + 2 MTTs to 'really go for the kill'. Remember, just three days ago you had never even played an SNG over $11 + 1.

What you SHOULD do - learn the difference between cash and tournament play. THIS HAS KILLED ME! I know it sounds obvious but if I could build a nice roll five times and never really know the difference then I'll bet there are others. The best way to do this is NOT to jump right in to the one you aren't as good at. The best way to learn this is through the forum. Search or ask TONS of questions. If you aren't sure if AT suited should be folded/limped/raised from EP at a table full tight/skilled opponents then YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING AT THAT TABLE!

What you SHOULD NOT do - jump right in to .50/1.00 NL cash with your $400 bankroll. If you do happen to do this then don't repeat this little gem that I did. In my first ever session (where I had 25% of my BR on the table) I doubled up in my third hand. I had 88 and the flop came A8x. Turn was another A and I got all in with my boat vs. trip aces king kicker. YAHOO! BR just went from $400 to $500 in one minute - without a doubt because I am such an awesome player. Oh yeah, nevermind that over the next week I donked off that $100 plus $150 more.

I could go on forever with examples like these but just to wrap up this post I'll say it one more time.

JUST KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DID! If you can turn $50 into $500 then you can turn $500 into $1000. Stay patient.

gutony · Three of a Kind Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 93

it has been 1 week since i made a deposit of 50 bucks and im currently at 247. It was mostly .05/.10 3 dollar cap and some sngs, it is very possible and not too hard to build off of low limit tables.

Puglia20 · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject:

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