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dodge these · Straight Flush Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 457

This one really hurt as it is also a bit out of my banckroll but I had to go fishing after one of my fav marks.

* Game ID 1145136593 starting - 2007-01-16 18:31:34
** Chafulumisa [Omaha] (2.00|4.00 Pot Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Andersinhooo sitting in seat 1 with $196.00
- tommyburman sitting in seat 2 with $132.60 [Dealer]
- sven21 sitting in seat 3 with $593.47
- MOMOBOY sitting in seat 4 with $840.00
- playin_poker sitting in seat 5 with $501.40
- zyrygon sitting in seat 6 with $332.70

sven21 posted the small blind - $2.00
MOMOBOY posted the big blind - $4.00
Andersinhooo posted to play - $4.00

** Dealing card to playin_poker: Jack of Hearts, Ace of Spades, 2 of Spades, Ace of Hearts
playin_poker called - $4.00
zyrygon raised - $22.00
Andersinhooo called - $22.00
tommyburman folded
sven21 folded
MOMOBOY called - $22.00
playin_poker raised - $112.00
zyrygon called - $112.00
Andersinhooo went all-in - $178.00
MOMOBOY folded
playin_poker called - $200.00
zyrygon called - $200.00

** Dealing the flop: 9 of Spades, 3 of Clubs, 2 of Clubs
playin_poker bet - $156.00
zyrygon went all-in - $132.70

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Clubs

** Dealing the river: 3 of Spades
playin_poker shows: Jack of Hearts, Ace of Spades, 2 of Spades, Ace of Hearts
zyrygon shows: 6 of Spades, Jack of Diamonds, 9 of Clubs, 8 of Clubs
Andersinhooo shows: Ace of Clubs, 4 of Clubs, Queen of Hearts, King of Diamonds
Andersinhooo wins $621.00 from the main pot
zyrygon wins $265.40 from side pot 1

End of game 1145136593

Now I could only call insted fo move all in because Anders didn't have enough 4 a full raise. I definatley wanted to isolate him because he was the fish I was after at the table and had no idea the ther guy was also such a donk, cause I can't realy see justifing caling 40+bb twice to try and catch with that hand.

As you can see they were sharing each others outs yet they both made a flush and I came up one short lol. Is there anything I should have done differently except maybe just reraise to $99 so when Anders moved all in for 200 I could reraise as well and maybe just maybe that other guy would have folded if it came to risking his entire stack preflop on that hand rather than just two thirds of it...

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

I don't think it'd really matter. If he was willing to donk off 2/3rds of the stack in that situation, he's probably going to dump the entire stack as well.

dodge these · Straight Flush Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 457

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

1) There's nothing wrong in getting in the majority of your stack PF with AAxx. In this case you had no idea the other guy was going to re-raise all-in, making you from re-raising again. It's just situations like this that make question 2 important.

2) I've read many different things about BR's for PLO, but the majority of what I see will want you to have at least 30 and probably closer to 50 buyins for that level (100 if you're doing it professionally.) Omaha is just a much higher variance game, so you'll need a bigger BR to keep from going broke than you would for NL.

3) This question is tough as I know people from both sides of the spectrum that do pretty well and I don't use pokertracker for Omaha so I have no founded statistics. I've known people that are as low as 15% VP$IP that still make a profit (they raise PF and then buy flops often, banking on their tight image) and people profiting when over 30% VP$IP (constant aggression or limping in and using excellent PF skills.) If I were to guess I'd say 20-30% VP$IP is probably a good range to be in.

I have no idea about showdown percentage though. You could probably try seeing if you can find anything over at 2+2 as some of the regular members that post there play here a lot.

dodge these · Straight Flush Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 457

Thanks 4 the feedback. So its basicy twice the BR 4 NLHE where it's about 20-30 and 50 if yu want if you want to go pro. Seems right as I don't quite feel comfortabe with just 18k at the 2/4 PL game but that is fine 4 the NL tables. AS 4 the stupid question, what exatcy is VP$IP? I am seeing almost half the flops and that just seems like 2 many, though it is a profitable startegy so far as I usualy just limp in (or call a min raise) with any suited ace or wrap hand in position, but have no problem lettign go of the hand if all I hit is just a single draw and the price is not right 4 it, but get aggressive when I do catch big even if it is not the current nuts.

dodge these · Straight Flush Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 457

* Game ID 1148930625 starting - 2007-01-18 19:20:55
** Kinglet [Omaha] (2.00|4.00 Pot Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Anders sitting in seat 1 with $1524.90
- EnvyME sitting in seat 2 with $1407.00 [Dealer]
- RYMDRAKET123 sitting in seat 3 with $755.00
- lobocop sitting in seat 4 with $506.00
- playin_poker sitting in seat 5 with $1242.00
- river333 sitting in seat 6 with $3593.37

RYMDRAKET123 posted the small blind - $2.00
lobocop posted the big blind - $4.00

** Dealing card to playin_poker: Jack of Hearts, Queen of Hearts, 10 of Clubs, 5 of Hearts
playin_poker called - $4.00
river333 raised - $18.00
Anders called - $18.00
EnvyME called - $18.00
RYMDRAKET123 folded
lobocop called - $18.00
playin_poker called - $18.00

** Dealing the flop: King of Diamonds, 2 of Diamonds, Jack of Spades
lobocop checked
playin_poker checked
river333 bet - $46.00
Anders folded
EnvyME called - $46.00
lobocop folded
playin_poker called - $46.00

** Dealing the turn: Ace of Clubs
playin_poker checked
river333 bet - $230.00
EnvyME folded
playin_poker raised - $920.00
river333 called - $920.00

** Dealing the river: 5 of Diamonds
playin_poker went all-in - $258.00
river333 called - $258.00
playin_poker shows: Jack of Hearts, Queen of Hearts, 10 of Clubs, 5 of Hearts
river333 shows: Jack of Diamonds, 9 of Hearts, 3 of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
river333 wins $2583.00 from the main pot

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

Preflop: Fold. With the hand already having 3 to the suit and a 5 that is absolutely worthless (instead of partially worthless) because of the suitedness with 2 other cards, it's a horrible hand to play out of position. You'd also immediately fold such a hand to the raise PF. It's garbage, you're out of position, and it's pretty doubtful that you'll hit a flop that benefits only you.

Flop: Fold. If it were rainbowed you'd probably have a reason to stick around. However with the suitedness and being OOP, it'd be really tough to play your hand if a diamond hits the board. (I suspect the 3rd guy that folds on the turn had a flush draw too.)

Turn: I like it. He will almost be forced to bet out because of the flush draw. A good portion of the time you're taking this pot now, and if anyone's calling on a draw they are very likely to be having horrible odds to do so.

River: Tough break, but you were probably going to be forced to put your money in here anyway. I think you'll be good the 10% of the time needed to make this an ok play.

Oh, and VP$IP = Voluntarily Puts $ In Pot. It's usually used as an indicator of how loose you can get preflop. Someone with a high percentage likes to see a lot of flops. Someone with a low percentage will generally wait for premium hands before trying to see a flop.

dodge these · Straight Flush Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 457

I would normaly agree with all your analysis but at this table the AGERAGE pot was over $600 so calling what I called with my satck seemed worth it. And that guy was the nut driving it if that was not obvius, and he actually lost the whole 5k stack in under half an hour! Crazyest table I have ever sat at and unfrtunately it cost me big, but nt sure I would play it differently give the table dynamics and what kind of implied odds you can get when you do hit.

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