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drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1923

I was playing limit holdem at the .25/.50 level. I was dealt KQs one of the button. The player (whom i dont know much about yet) to might right raised. I 3bet it to make it a heads up pot. I am wondering if this was the right play or not because with two high suited cards, would it be better to play for a multiway pot (giving the BB good odds to call). Because especially on the small stakes level, i would get paid of by even a middle pair if I also hit my pair and if i hit a drawing hand, i would much rather have it be multi way. help me out here. which is the better play?

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:14 am Post subject:

I would just call. KQs is a great multi-way hand. If you just call you might get the BB in too. You'll lose less and win more.

ridic x · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:38 am Post subject:

I like the play. This is a hand you want to play but not against too many people. You Iso bet with position and got the pot to HU which is what you wanted. As for simply calling, it makes me cringe b/c first off it's calling 2 bets cold and second it gives a better price for others behind you to come in. If you simply call and more than 3 people see a flop you usually need better than TP to win. With the 3 bet you rep a bigger hand than the original raisor and even if you miss the flop you will win using a continuation bet much more than you will lose with one. I will say this though. Do not get carried away with Iso betting, do it with good position against weak or LAG players.

relaxedriley · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:46 am Post subject:

KQ suited or unsuited is a hand you want to isolate with. In this spot I three bet it unless the initial raiser is very tight. If you dont have a read then three bet it and play cautiously if you hit top pair and are getting heavy resistance. Big cards play best with fewer opponents so isolation is king with these hands.

J_Ricks · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:06 am Post subject:

I'm no pro, but i totally agree with Sue, though i understand where you're coming from, because i am sometimes compelled to raise it up with KQ myself

bigwheell · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:14 am Post subject:

3 bet or fold in that situation...Since you do not know much about the raiser, I would tend to fold...

I guess it depends on if it is 6max or full ring as well. You should normally tell us which one it is, there are different strategies for both...

griffinlord · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject:

Flip a coin?

Multiway you'll win fewer big pots while HU you'll win more small pots.

Which do you prefer?

How is your post-flop play against a field vs HU?

dmoore1998 · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject:

I raise or fold here, probably raise. I want to take control of the hand and stop the blinds from calling with junk if possible. I don't want the flop coming K-4-3 and let the BB play his 4-3 because he's priced in to call anything with only one more bet to call pre-flop. Also the fact that the player to your right raised from late position means he might be holding anything and the 3-bet makes him define his hand a bit more. If he calls you're probably not dominated by AA KK QQ or AK because those are hands they would likely cap with. AQ is a possibility but I want to try to get that information now if possible. Also if you play it heads up then a continuation bet on the flop has the chance to take the pot down there whereas with 3-4 players in the hand you will need a hand to win with most likely.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject:

This is prob 9max because 6max players usually preface their posts.

I pretty much never fold in this situation. First of all you are playing .25/.50 and it is beneficial to assume that your opponents are loose if you have no data no reads (because its most often true).
Also, his action is coming from the cutoff, which adds reason to be suspicious--how many times have you seen people raise T9s, A-rag, and even complete junk from the cutoff? You are doing well against a range of cutoff hands.
I favor the 3-bet here because not only do you do well against Mr. Cutoff but on average your hand will be far superior to the two random hands in the blinds yet to act. If anyone caps out of the blind you can start fearing the worst and if the cutoff caps you can play cautiously but still be a little suspicous. He knows you might be isolating etc.
My second choice surprisingly is not fold, but cold calling as BNS said and my argument for it may lie beyond the scope of this thread (j/k but I like saying that when I run out of time to write)

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1923

It was a full table. The whole point of calling would be to price in the bb. i thought that maybe this would force them to call w/ a 98 or something. then if the flop came K94 they would have to pay me off (because it is small stakes and most opponents will call). plus KQs is a great hand multiway if i flop a draw, because it gives me at least overcards on every flop. the reason i asked is because i flopped an inside straight draw (9T4 rainbow) and had my KQ as overcards. This flop just seems to favor multiway. here is another question. does the fact that it is small stakes make me change my strategy between 3betting or calling? or should i make the same play at both this level and higher levels?

ridic x · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject:

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1923

ridic x · Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject:

xxlurchxx · High Card Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 15

If this guy has KK or AA you are spending alot of money when you are way behind. So if you you stay in what type of hand are you trying for, and when do you let it go? If you hit your K and he has AA you are gonna pay him off? Or a dream flop of both your K and Q but he has KK. Do you cap it? When do you release it?

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