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Flying_Kiwi
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Injecting your BR with steroids Reply with quote

When I first deposited, I deposited the minimum because I was fresh to online poker and just wanted to play around for entertainment. Now i'm getting frusted playing in the lowest limits because of the rake. Also the reason I deposited and play micros - to 'play'- is now becoming detrimental to my poker play. I often catch myself thinking 'it's only another .50c' etc and generally still treating it like play money. So I have been thinking about moving up a notch to ease the rake and also play more seriously, where every pot counts and is viewed as real money. My current BR is slightly in the black but not near enough for a move up to .10/.25. Is it a stupid idea to re-deposit ontop of it (I can afford to) to artificially create a roll for these stakes? Or should I be trying to grind the .05/.10c up? Has anyone else ever 'injected' their roll while still even/in the black?
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firehawk01
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I undersatnd what ur saying and hav ethought along the same lines. Not as far as "it's only another .50" But as far as i see alot of low limit players calling for no reason playing crap cards when they know that they are beat and so on. I sometimes play at the .10/.25 level and even ther e is is not a whole lot better. I think u would have to make a substantial jump in stakes. I t just seems that at the .05 /.10 level its not so much about playing cards as it is like a lottery. Here u have to remeber also that u can't bluff most bad players, u can only bluff good players because they are willing to make the tough lay downs when they think that they are beat. Most .05/.10 players will just call u anyway because they do treat it like play chips. As far as grinding it out, its tough so rate ur game and make a decision on wether or not u are a stromng enough player to make a SMALL jump in the size of the game GL
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Injecting your BR with steroids Reply with quote

Flying_Kiwi wrote:
When I first deposited, I deposited the minimum because I was fresh to online poker and just wanted to play around for entertainment. Now i'm getting frusted playing in the lowest limits because of the rake. Also the reason I deposited and play micros - to 'play'- is now becoming detrimental to my poker play. I often catch myself thinking 'it's only another .50c' etc and generally still treating it like play money. So I have been thinking about moving up a notch to ease the rake and also play more seriously, where every pot counts and is viewed as real money. My current BR is slightly in the black but not near enough for a move up to .10/.25. Is it a stupid idea to re-deposit ontop of it (I can afford to) to artificially create a roll for these stakes? Or should I be trying to grind the .05/.10c up? Has anyone else ever 'injected' their roll while still even/in the black?


Give it a shot. If you can afford it financially, then go ahead. You will get to test your game at a new level and if it doesn't work out, so be it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with juicing your BR.
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clussman
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not stupid to deposit money unless you're a losing player who keeps depositing to feed the rest of us. Most people make an initial deposit or two to get started.

The only reason I didn't deposit is because I know my own weaknesses and once I had that link to my bank account it would be all too easy to just make another deposit if I went broke. It would be harder for me to play within my limits and learn to beat each level before moving up. I don't think most people would have that same problem. (I'm basing that on the fact that most people deposited money at some point.)

At the end of the day, if you're playing for fun and you believe you're getting a good return on your entertainment dollar to move up to .1/.25, then go for it. If you're trying to grind your way up the ladder, you can either deposit or take a stand and decide to earn that cash from the bottom up. You're the one who knows what it is you are trying to achieve so you're the only one who can determine if depositing more money makes sense.
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Tiera Starr
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see nothing wrong with depositing to move up.

I didn't and am suffering the opposite problem.

I started from freeroll winnings and have built a usable roll on three sites ($384.15, $509.19, $197.08). I have the feeling it doesn't matter if I lose it, I can always build it back again, especially if I keep it above $100 it is not that hard.

There is also the fact that at the low stakes I started at, I would have earned more (per hour) working a minimum wage job than I earnt playing poker at micro stakes.

So the way I think you should look at it is:
* Your initial deposit was an experiment to see if you were able to turn a profit.
* Now that you have a positive response, depositing more means that you can play at stakes where the return is more worthwhile.

However, of course, only deposit what you are willing to lose, 'cause you could always hit a downswing.
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dumwaldo
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford it, then deposit it.

I can't speak for everybody, but I know for me, my BR is bigger than what I have on FT. I play poker in live situations as well as online so I view my BR as what I have available for all the poker I play.

When there is a reload bonus to be had I drop $200 into my account needed or not just so I can have the $100 bonus account running.
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UFO1947
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have added 50 dollars this week to help maintain my BR at a point so I don't have to return to the 5/10 cent tables.

I won't add all that I've lost in my bad run cause that would be like "cheating"
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Injecting your BR with steroids Reply with quote

Flying_Kiwi wrote:
Is it a stupid idea to re-deposit ontop of it (I can afford to) to artificially create a roll for these stakes? Or should I be trying to grind the .05/.10c up? Has anyone else ever 'injected' their roll while still even/in the black?


If you want to move up and adding money doesn't present a financial problem for your day-to-day living expenses this falls in the category of "It's your money--do with it as you like."

There are plenty of recreational players that need to play high enough to get a thrill from the size of the bets. And some players, like you, who need to risk larger amounts to keep your brain focused.

Do what works for you. For me the challenge of building from the lowest limits is a good match to my personality. I could afford to put new money into my roll and play higher, but I like working my way up from the cellar.

But that's me. Some folks would rather deposit a large enough amount to play bigger games because that's what gives them what they need. That's what works for them and that's okay.

If you have the $ and are planning to deposit some and move up, why not go ahead and try some of the bigger games? You've probably got enough for 2-4 buy ins at a .5/1 game so give it a shot. If you run hot for a bit you won't need to add to your roll. And if you don't, redeposit.
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fire_eyes_2k
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well don't deposit what you're not prepared to lose is my motto. But if you want to move up limits, then I would definitely go for an increased bankroll in your account, as you are more likely to play weak poker if you think you're playing above your bankroll.

Speaking of bankrolls, I have had a 50% upwswing recently due to some nice big juicy satellite wins so I've finally hit the $1000 mark. Woo.
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BOYNAMEDSUE
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Online poker can actually save you money.

The first 9 months I played I deposited $1000, and lost it. But I was able to hang onto my money longer and longer each time, and by the end of that 9 month period I had probably played maybe 1700 hours of online poker. Some days I would get all butt-hurt, from sitting so long. $1000 into 1700 hours is like $.60 per hour of fun. That's a pretty good deal.
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carrsx
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got to agree with you there. So far I'm down about 90 bucks (been playing for almost 6 weeks here I think). I would definatly rather be up, but in reality 90 dollars is dinner and a movie anymore. My husband says me blowing 10 bucks playing poker all night is better than an hour of shopping at the mall! Wink

If you can afford it go for it I say....

Pros: Is there really an advantage to playing at highr levels?
I've been mulling this over. I know the suck-out rate is higher at the lower limits. I keep telling myself if I can't beat the donks, I'll get eaten alive with the pro's. What do you think?

If there is a difference, what level do you need to be at before you see it?
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clussman
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

carrsx wrote:
I keep telling myself if I can't beat the donks, I'll get eaten alive with the pro's. What do you think?

You are correct. At one point or another I think every poker player has the thought "If I just move up enough levels the play will be better and I'll be able to win." The play will be better. You will not be able to win. You learn a lot from grinding your way up from the bottom. You learn how to spot weak players, what kind of weaknesses they have, and how to exploit them. When you can beat a level consistently, move up.
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JackBileDuct
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the bonus in my account FTP will be offering the 50% bonus again in a few days. 12-15 or there abouts. I would deposit again if I were you but I would wait until the deposit bonus and deposit as much as I could to earn as much bonus as possible.
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snoopamt
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have money on this site, but here's what I've done and it works for me (and my wife is fine with it too, which is half the battle, right?)

Pick an amount that you'd be okay with if you lost all of it each week in poker. You will obviously win some weeks and lose more than this amount in others, but regardless, pick an amout whether it's $5, $10, $20, whatever.

Set up an automatic transfer for that amount from your checking account into another account, a poker account if you will, each week. When you win, it goes back to that account, when you lose (or redeposit) it comes out of that account.

Quick way to build your funds, even if you're a break-even player. I lost about half my weekly "allowance" for the first three or four months of this plan, but the dry run finally ended and I've won back all I lost plus a decent amount on top of it.

So I pump up my bankroll by tiny bits every week, seems to work for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Injecting your BR with steroids Reply with quote

griffinlord wrote:
For me the challenge of building from the lowest limits is a good match to my personality. I could afford to put new money into my roll and play higher, but I like working my way up from the cellar.


Griff, let's talk about this. This is exactly how I am too...the problem occurs when I build it up. Inevitably after a MTT cash or some positive swing I get ancy or something and end up blowing off a sizeable chunk of my roll. I don't go off the deep end and lose it all by any means, but all of a sudden it's like the challenge is gone and I slip into some mode where I seem to think I have my Neteller hooked up to Bill Gates' checking account. Any suggestions, comments, ideas?
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