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panther07
Two Pair
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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 Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: New Critique from an Omaha Donk |
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| This may sound like an idiotic question and probably is. Is there ever a time you shouldn't get your money in the middle with top trips and no way to have a straight, on the flop. There were two huge draws out there. In a .25/.50 PLO game, the cutoff(big stack, 3x everyone else) raises 3X BB, button calls( button had similar stack to me-right around original buy in), I call in BB w/ QQ76. The flop is Qc9s3c. I bet 3/4 of the pot, get raised by original raiser, button calls, I push all in and they both call. Original raiser had 78TJ, two clubs. Button had AcKc??. Of course a club hit. |
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Kloaked Spirit
Royal Flush
Joined: 03 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:00 am Post subject: Re: New Critique from an Omaha Donk |
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| This may sound like an idiotic question and probably is. Is there ever a time you shouldn't get your money in the middle with top trips and no way to have a straight, on the flop. There were two huge draws out there. In a .25/.50 PLO game, the cutoff(big stack, 3x everyone else) raises 3X BB, button calls( button had similar stack to me-right around original buy in), I call in BB w/ QQ76. The flop is Qc9s3c. I bet 3/4 of the pot, get raised by original raiser, button calls, I push all in and they both call. Original raiser had 78TJ, two clubs. Button had AcKc??. Of course a club hit. |
Here's the beauty of Omaha. It looks like you have the best hand, but in fact someone could have a huge wrap + flush draw. A hand like KJT8 with two clubs would be about a 2:1 favorite over your set. Likewise if both people had huge draws, you wouldn't be the favorite in the situation.
Most likely in 25/50 cent PLO, you will have the best of it with just the trip Q's, as the draw won't be that huge. Also if both of them have gotten it all in, you're probably priced in to try to fill up and win it with a boat/quads. However, there could be times if you're heads up and you're up against a super tight player and find him raising into your trip Q's. In that case, maybe you can go ahead and put it down knowing you're the dog. It'll be rare and will usually require some sort of read to do it. |
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acesfullokings9
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Joined: 30 Sep 2006
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Location: Australia
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This may be typical for us Holdem boys, but Omaha does my head in, I'll get good at Holdem first I think  |
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Remoth
Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Oct 2006
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
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I've seen people go all in with a set in their pocket cards. Cmon, There's only 1 card that'l help you, and with the number of cards being dealt out, there's a high percentage that someone else has it.
I had 2 queens and a third came up, so I bet and raised and bet and raised. one guy kept calling me with KKK10. and got a straight on the river. Man! that ticked me off. |
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clussman
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Location: Austin, TX
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| I'm going to start taking stabs at .25/.5 games soon. I'm curious -- does at 3xBB raise get respected at that level? Because it sure as hell doesn't at .10/.25. I pretty much restrict myself to the bet pot button or, in certain circumstances 3/4ths pot. |
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Kloaked Spirit
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Joined: 03 Nov 2005
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| In Omaha, you abuse the pot button like a fat family abuses the all-you-can-eat buffet. Unless you feel that you're at a table where you can generate big pots with speculative hands if you don't raise pot, there's no other betting style needed. |
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DJ Ninjah
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Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Location: New York, NY
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| In Omaha, you abuse the pot button like a fat family abuses the all-you-can-eat buffet. Unless you feel that you're at a table where you can generate big pots with speculative hands if you don't raise pot, there's no other betting style needed. |
To the OP: Basically what Kloaked said. At these limits the profit you make by pushing your flopped sets (when there are no straights or flushes of course) more than makes up for the time you get rocked by a monster draw. My advice, learn how to play hands that give you those monster draws. =). In fact if anyone wants to search for it, I have a great HH example of how to use the fact that you KNOW someone has a set against them. Basically, I had a three card wrap and Q-high flush draw (turns out the flush draw was dead to a K-high draw) against two sets. It would have been a marginal situation on it's own, but because I KNEW they both had sets, thus killing each other's redraws, I was able to push with confidence and I won the hand.
To Kloaked: I disagree with always bet the pot. If I have a real monster, like a set and nut flush draw, or a set and the nut straight draw, or top two or a set on a rainbow disconnected flop, I will bet less than the pot to suck more people in (because no one takes a bet that is less than the pot seriously). Also, I will bet the same ammount with some draws as a blocking bet for balance. |
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