Online Poker Forum - The F-Bomb

xjellyfishx · Pair Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 40

So as you all may have heard, in the $10k buyin PLO Event #35 Rafi Amit received a 10 minute penalty for saying the F-Word during a hand in the tournament. Keep in mind, this was when he and Quoc Al "Vinnie" Vinh were heads up at the final table. With blinds and antes being so high, his chip stack was decaying right before his eyes as the dealer was swiftly dishing out 3 hands a minute and pushing every pot to Vinnie. I understand that you must be a responsible adult in any casino but his remark was not directed at anybody, he was simply trying to trap Vinnie Vinh by showing weakness. I believe any physical abuse or taunting behavior should result in some type of penalty but cmon I myself was a dealer for 2 years and heard comments far worse than this all day, every day. We are adults and have the freedom of speech so why was he penalized for exercising his right?

AlexScottUK · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject:

So smoking is banned, swearing is banned... What next? Drinking? Talking? Gambling?!!

Wetdog · Pair Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 21

Unless a curse is directed toward a person, be it player, dealer, director, railbird or cameraman, I think it should be overlooked. Fatigue and emotion combined can overcome judgement in us all. The f-bomb is used as an adjective and punctuation in everyday speech. Substitute words like "freaking" really only mask the word when the intent is clear, and is really just a childish game with the PC police. I think that adults can and should overlook a little indiscretion.

packattack · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:26 am Post subject:

Saying the F-Bomb should only induce a 10 menate penalty if it is being used excessively, or if it is being used in a hateful manner to another person.

Howard Lederer said it best in his cardplayer interview the other day. It is used so much, but so inconsistently enforced, and sometimes people are just using it in a joking manner. Also, you can say a lot more things other than the f-word, in a much more hateful manner to another person and not be penalized.

It's a stupid rule, really.

Scott Dodd · Pair Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 47 Location: Shreveport La

ephro · Two Pair Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 52

Scott Dodd · Pair Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 47 Location: Shreveport La

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Prime time TV and cameramen and railbirds don't factor into this equation. All of the TV shows aren't employing the players, they aren't giving them a single dime, they aren't paying their entry fees, and they aren't paying their juice. The rules of the game are not, and should not revolve around getting TV coverage for the casinos and producers of the series.

A blanket rule of no F-bombs is quite silly in this day and age. Offensive, demeaning, and rude comments to other players should recieve one warning, and no warnings when they are directed at the dealer or floor men. But we shouldn't give any consideration to filming or any other such outside influences.

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yes you are right TV didn�t pay the player entry or anything ells but with out the Investment of TV covering poker the boom in player's coming in to the game would not have happened . if you look at the pot size jump just over the last 2 WSOP 2004 1st place $5.000.000 and this year it is my understanding will pay 10 to $15.000.000

and TV pays the WSOP and the casinos to have the right to air the games so let me see

the payouts are bigger = money for the winners
the WSOP makes money
the casinos make money

GET THE PICTURE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE PENALTY BEING IMPOSED AT THE TABLE!!!!!!!

and if a player wants to "use the F bomb as you put it" it's not a problem if you are in a ring game or even a non televised event but if you want to play the big games on TV you need to exercise some self control.... this isn't a new thing for TV we have see in the last few years fines and penalties in the NBA, base ball , and even NASCAR.

This is just the way it is if we want to play for the big bucks.

ephro · Two Pair Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 52

Scott Dodd · Pair Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 47 Location: Shreveport La

let me see if I can put this in a different way
the penalty was for saying FUXX on national TV.. in the united states we have some holer then thou people called the FCC (federal communication commission) that will level huge fines on producers, broadcast networks and even the local stations anyone they think they can get money from for not stopping something they the FCC thinks is indecent from getting on the air

we are talking fines of 5 and 6 hundred thousand dollars and up let us not for get the infamous Janet Jackson super bowl stunt that cost the NFL, MTV, AND OTHERS hundred's of thousands of dollars.

so in an effort to prevent some sort of trouble in the future the organizers of the tournament have implemented a table etiquette rule that all players have to adhere to
if they wish to play a televised game I.E no F bombs

p.s the fines can be placed on the player for saying the F bomb on air also

can you see it a no buddy player get to the final table of the WSOP and is taken out 6th winning him a hansom 600k only to say F has he stands up and gets a fine from the fed of 650k for saying it on national TV......... now that would suck!!!!!

xjellyfishx · Pair Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 40

WSOP is never on TV live, in fact it airs several months after the event takes place. I think they could get around to bleeping the word by then therefore there would be no fines.

Billy Butlins · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:40 am Post subject:

I think it should only be punished if directed at someone in an offensive gesture or is used over 3 times or more in an hour or something. To me i honestly don't understand how people find swearing offensive, it most cases it just represents one's annoyance but if used offensively then yes it should be punished.

Jaconda78 · Moderator Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4179

The FCC regs fail to apply anyways - poker is not aired on public channels - only cable. The restriction applies to pucblic channels and, I think, only during certain tmies (prime time). ESPN and the travel channel are private channels that viewers must specifically request, and hence aren't required to adhere to FCC regulations. Just hoping to clear up a misconception.

jetto · Flush Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 130 Location: Full tilt

no.

but as long as they have a 15 word use up then its a warning then theres a penalty

MrUnderhill · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject:

F**K NO. To paraphrase George Carlin it is the most usefull word in the English language.

twriter · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject:

As a professional writer, one way I evaluate the quality and completeness of a dictionary is if it contains this word (and a few choice others. If a dictionary has been bowdlerized, then it is of no use to me.

That said--and I understand that the rule is applied inconsistently--a rule is a rule. If it is in place, and the players know it full well, then they must accept the consequences of their actions. Some may see the rule silly (and I do somewhat, although I understand the desire to have it in place), but unless the rule is removed, there's simply no question.

In the described situation, it was the player's fault for letting the situation happen. Period.

On a realted note, however, I might also say that the camp that seems to think that such a rule need not exist at all in this day and age may also be part of or related to the camp of players who think that they are simply entiteld to do or say whatever they please at the table. With people such as these, there seems to be no sense of decorum, of respect for others, or for anything else other than their self-centered desire for attention. (I'm also pretty sure that the people who deny this the loudest may be some of the worst offenders.) Language, demands, and other antics may make for dramtic television, but they also demonstrate appalling sportsmanship.

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