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lmille4574 · Pair Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 27

I've been playing the freeroll tourneys and at some of the play chips tables. I know how to play Omaha but am not as experienced at it as Holdem. Yesterday I get moved to a table after about six hands and theres a gecko there that calls everyone an idiot if the lose he loses to them. I wait a couple hands and finally call the BB with 6h 6c Ah 3H. not the strongest draw hand I've seen in the game but I had a couple ways to go. the flop coes out and I had 3 of a kind 6 or 4 to a flush. The gecko bets 1300 chips. I call turn gives nme the flush and I again he bets to put me all in. His card shows pair Q's mine the flush. I'm called the idiot. Couple hands later. I have 3 aces after turn and call his allin bet. he catches the flush on the river and I am out of the turny again I am called the idiot. I'm pretty sure he had no idea on how to play the game and almost positive he didn't make it that far. Someone please tell me how they get around the trash talk at the table.

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

You learn to ignore it. If you let the trash talk rattle you, then you'll play less optimally. Sometimes donkeys can play horribly and believe they're good because of luck.

Take the guy in your post as an example: He can't play Omaha Hi to save his soul. However, he's getting extremely lucky. He doesn't know any better so he's equating luck to skill. He's thinking that he's obviously good or he wouldn't be doing so well. So he'll continue to play. Eventually he'll lose and/or go completely broke. Then this guy will whine to whoever will listen about all the "bad beats" he took and how "poker is rigged."

Just take solace in that and laugh at the inevitability that this will happen to people just like him.

lmille4574 · Pair Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 27

Usually I try to use the trash talk against them, telling my self that they are just a donk and wait for the appropriate hand to take em out. And then say nothing. In Omaha its harder though because I see so many get lucky on turn and river to beat a good hand off flop. It's just gets irritating when your trashed talk to when making good calls. thanks for the input.

When should your strongest bet be with a high hand. off the flop or wait until turn or River.

Skip2Maloo · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject:

Chat bullies can't be shut up by confronting them directly, they thrive on it. I'll either have a little fun with them or try to chop their legs out from underneath them and give them nothing to talk about. But whatever the situation, never take it personally... they don't know you and can't possibly make an accurate judgment call.

#1. If someone calls me or another player a name (idiot, for example) then I usually respond with something like "If I'm such a idiot then it shouldn't be any trouble for you to beat me, so what are you complaining about?" It really helps if you can get them to fold in the next couple hands, and if you want to bully them back a little just say "Huh?" or "Interesting..." when they do.

#2. If someone complains about a call you made, turn it around on them. Using your example above, I'd say "I'm pretty sure most players would call with trip 6's and a flush draw, even you." or poll the table asking "Is there anyone at this table that wouldn't have called with trip 6's and a flush draw?"

#3. If someone complains about a call you made and it actually was a donkey call, tell them "I'm just having a little fun with my winnings from yesterday. I hope that's not your entire bankroll you're playing with."

#4. If you suckout on the river and they complain about it, say "If you had bet more when you made your hand it never would have gotten to the river." or "That's what happens when you slow play big hands sometimes." This is fairly confrontational, so be prepared to back it up.

Whatever you say, make sure it's true or accurate. Don't make wild claims or accusations you can't substantiate, you'll only succeed in turning the other players against you too. It's not a big deal in the ring games, but in a tourney you want other players on your side... the more ganging up on the bully, the better.

clussman · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject:

Or you can just mute the guy.

I don't have a problem with someone calling me an idiot. I usually try to induce a situation where I can take all their money because I'm assuming I've tilted them in some way[1]. But I absolutely hate when some jackass starts attacking another player at my table. Especially a bad player. I loathe idiots who chase away my fish. I'll usually defend the fish and look for places to be a little extra aggressive with those guys. It helps if you can get them to spill their strategy, which they'll willingly do to prove that they're so damn good--which they're not.

[1] Had a guy that massively overplayed pocket aces in Omaha yesterday. He was sitting to my right and I busted him with two pair. He called me an idiot and sat out for a while. When a seat opened to my left he jumped into it and ... overplayed pocket aces. I busted him with a lowly two pair again. After that he just left and didn't come back.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject:

A few untruths about poker.

1. Someone making what you think is a bad call pre-flop justifies your bad play post-flop.
2. People will always play the way you think they should.
3. Berating people's play will get your money back.

DJ Ninjah · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject:

You could always do what I do. I agree with them, it always throws them off. A few nights ago I was getting short stacked in a cash game (20BB) so I raised from the small blind, something I do fairly often, holding 66 and the BB reraises me. Table folds around to me, so I reraise all-in (only like 8 more dollars) figuring he might have two big cards and was trying to steal. Turns out he has AA and I turn a 6 to beat him. He goes off on me and I gave all the donk answers I could think of, then just for fun, since he told me I should be using the donk avatar, I got up and changed it when I folded UTG. Anyway long story short, I take a few pots off him because he thinks I'm a donk Wink

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Otto410 · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/columns/story?columnist=bluff_magazine&id=2678528

A recent article from Mike Caro on this very subject.

clussman · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject:

Interesting article. He advocates being a calling station against a bully. Seems like a reasonable strategy since you usually want to do the opposite of what the table is doing.

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