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asfispimp · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: can you call here

the only reason you could call this is pot odds but other than that if the pot isnt this big I think you have to fold. on 6th I actually though I was drawing dead.

Full Tilt Poker Game #1322482632: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (9270745), Table 1 - 150/300 Ante 25 - Limit Razz - 0:59:56 ET - 2006/11/29
Seat 1: tyandaga (1,374)
Seat 2: SoozzyQV (1,808)
Seat 3: gs1958 (388)
Seat 4: SETex (2,689)
Seat 5: ace cadet (293)
Seat 6: asfispimp (2,772)
Seat 7: lee44 (1,285)
Seat 8: nanalinda (1,391), is sitting out
tyandaga antes 25
SoozzyQV antes 25
gs1958 antes 25
SETex antes 25
ace cadet antes 25
asfispimp antes 25
lee44 antes 25
nanalinda antes 25
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to tyandaga [Td]
Dealt to SoozzyQV [4d]
Dealt to gs1958 [Ah]
Dealt to SETex [Kc]
Dealt to ace cadet [7h]
Dealt to asfispimp [Ac 7d] [5h]
Dealt to lee44 [8c]
Dealt to nanalinda [Ts]
SETex is high with [Kc]
SETex brings in for 50
nanalinda has returned
ace cadet folds
asfispimp completes it to 150
lee44 folds
nanalinda folds
tyandaga folds
SoozzyQV calls 150
lee44: talk about sh - it cards
gs1958: live or die here
gs1958 raises to 300
SETex folds
asfispimp calls 150
SETex: gl gs
SETex: go gs
lee44: GL gs
SoozzyQV calls 150
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to SoozzyQV [4d] [Ad]
Dealt to gs1958 [Ah] [8h]
Dealt to asfispimp [Ac 7d 5h] [2h]
SoozzyQV checks
gs1958 bets 63, and is all in
asfispimp raises to 150
SoozzyQV calls 150
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to SoozzyQV [4d Ad] [3c]
Dealt to gs1958 [Ah 8h] [9h]
Dealt to asfispimp [Ac 7d 5h 2h] [5s]
SoozzyQV checks
asfispimp checks
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to SoozzyQV [4d Ad 3c] [6s]
Dealt to gs1958 [Ah 8h 9h] [Ks]
Dealt to asfispimp [Ac 7d 5h 2h 5s] [6d]
SoozzyQV checks
asfispimp checks
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to asfispimp [Ac 7d 5h 2h 5s 6d] [Js]
SoozzyQV bets 300
asfispimp folds
Uncalled bet of 300 returned to SoozzyQV
SoozzyQV wins the side pot (174)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SoozzyQV shows [Tc 9s 4d Ad 3c 6s 3s] (9,6,4,3,A)
gs1958 mucks
SoozzyQV wins the main pot (1,339) with 9,6,4,3,A
gs1958 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,513 Main pot 1,339. Side pot 174. | Rake 0
Seat 1: tyandaga folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: SoozzyQV showed [Tc 9s 4d Ad 3c 6s 3s] and won (1,513) with 9,6,4,3,A
Seat 3: gs1958 mucked [Th 8d Ah 8h 9h Ks 3d] - T,9,8,3,A
Seat 4: SETex folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: ace cadet folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: asfispimp folded on 7th St.
Seat 7: lee44 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: nanalinda folded on 3rd St.

Josh Fialkowski · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:11 am Post subject:

I cant make the call there on 6th. 1 card out of 3 has to be and he has made a 6. Even that his checking is quite weak. I might have considered calling cause he checked to 7th. other then that i was gone

2 high flush · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:16 am Post subject:

the only thing that explains that betting is that sooz bricked twice and then actually made her hand on 7th. i dont think you can call here. if she has a 2,5,or 7 down you lose. her 764 beats your 765. i fold. although i always hate to fold a made 8 or 7 only to see a 9 with a good looking board win.

asfispimp · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:23 am Post subject:

I thought I was screwed on 6th against that beautiful board. tough fold, but youll win in the long run folding there.

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2180

i think you should have called on the end, even if i didn't know the result of the hand. i don't know what your read of him was and whether or not he's a good player, but you figure he has to have another card 6 or better under. He doesn't have a great hand as he only flat called your completion rather than raising it up. the guy who re-raised likely has 3 cards under 7.

now onto the hand. your opponent has played the hand extremely passively and was flat calling all the bets. he checks both 5th and 6th streets. here it would be a bad play to not be betting your hand as it is more important for him to accumulate chips here rather than knock out an opponent. you have to figure that he has one bad and probably bricked on the other. two consecutive checks means weakness, not strength here.

on the last card, it is possible that he hit perfect, but his number of outs to hands that beat you are very limited. the reason being is that he needs either a 2, 5 or 7 to beat your hand. recalling back a 7 was folded on 3rd by another player you holding 1 your self as well as a 2 and two 5's, he's drawing to 7 outs on 7th likely. right here i would make the crying call and hope that he didn't have me beat.

PSTAR-06 · Royal Flush Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 588

cards dealt to Asfis - A 7 5h.

You special - three hole cards for you? lol.

I read third street, but what were the hole cards?

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

I call there, and it's not even a tough decision. You're getting over 4-1 pot odds.

If the 2s, 5s, and 7s in the deck are randomly distributed, it's about 52% chance that you're beat. But you only need to win 20% of the time to justify a call. If your opponent bluffs on the river just 1/3 of the time that he doesn't have a hand, calling here is +EV.

And if your opponent thinks you'll lay down a made 7, trust me, he'll bluff on the river a lot more than 1/3 of the time.

clussman · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject:

Not much to add to what byamamoto1 said except that I would have bet 5th and 6th street. His passive play and checks on 4th, 5th, AND 6th are screaming that he doesn't have a good hand. He probably doesn't even have a made hand. I would have assumed he paired either his ace or three (turns out he paired his three) and bet 5th when the bets doubled. He would have to give you credit for a made hand at that point. He would also have to expect more bets on 6th and 7th since, at that point, you've bet every street. Now you're putting him to the test and making him pay to draw out on you.

I really can't believe this guy didn't bet on 5th and 6th to represent a hand and make you fold.

asfispimp · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject:

this player was passive too so that made me not wanna bet since I thought I might be getting slowplayed. I suppose that with the odds I should call here because of what cluss and byam said. Even the razz master makes mistakes lol.

mzbuns · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject:

I probably would have called on 7th. Reason being, she checked twice. My thought process would have been that she had crappy hole cards. That's a tough one though.

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