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Maverick550 · High Card Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 20

I have been playing on-line poker for over a year. I tried four different sites...but by far this is the worst for bad beats. It seems that the underdog is always rewarded. For example, poc Kings cracked by 10- 6 off suit. First of all the 10-6 should have folded which makes me question either A) the players ability or B) the sites honesty. It happens far to often and when you start point it out to the other players on the tables the bad beats stop for a little while...seems very fishy.... i guess they have people monitioring these tables. I am very concerened about the integrity of this site. I know I am a strong poker player and I don't lose on the other sites or in real Casino's as frequent... i guess you guys don't want repeat business...just a one time suck out. Is that the money you use to pay your pros for endorsing this site. All my ranting would be impossible to prove...i know...they will give me a half-assed answer...like thier are more hands being played so the frequency for bad beats increases....but statistically it would increase proportionitally to the number of hands being played so it would be the same number of bad beats as at a Casino. That is not a sufficient answer. It might be all rigged just to take hard working and honest peoples money.

mathman1115 · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject:

The site is rigged, out to get you, and you are the unluckiest player in the world..........boo hoo
This shyt really gets old after a while. I hate bad beats, they piss me off, but this is poker.

Maverick550 · High Card Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 20

Do you work for this site mathman? You didn't add anything intelligent...just babble based on nothing

I hoped the post would of gotten people thinking and generate some worth while posts... instead of ignorance.

gloria785 · High Card Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 2

Here is the thing. I am 59 years old and have been playing cards for over 30 years. I am posting this under my wifes user name since I do not have one of my own. We recently got the internet and my wife signed up for this site to play some 7 card stud.

Here is the thing many of these people who complain about the bad beats have no experience what so ever about playing cards. Some of these people are 15-20 years old and have never played in a B&M before. They have not seen all the bad beats that happen every minute when at a live table. The only difference about playing online is that you can talk a lot of crap about other players.

I play in a local card room everyday in my hometown. Believe me some of the things that people say at a table online would never be said in my card room because they would get a butt whipping from the other guys.

I do not care how many hands these kids say they have played they do not know crap about the game of poker.

mathman1115 · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject:

The only ignorance comes from your original post. If you want players to fold 10/6 when you have KK, then maybe you aren't such a great player.
I aplogize for my tone, but spend time looking at hand histories and evaluating your play, not crying to others.
You can play perfect poker for a week straight and still lose. It took me a while to learn that lesson and it may take you a while too.

Maverick550 · High Card Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 20

Thank-you for the replies...but neither of you guys have given a sufficient answer to my questions. I would get beat up if I talked like that at a real game and a raise with KK Vs. 10-6 os pre-flop is a bad play. Thank you
"Ignorance is Bliss"

MAROMB78 · Four of a Kind Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 323

First of all the best way to tell if a site is rigged is to see if it is endorsed by any pro players. Big name pros like the ones on full tilt do not want to be involved in any shady gaming. If full tilt were caught purposely giving action flops, any pro affiliated with it would probably be banned from every casino and poker room in the world. No casino wants a known cheat in their place.
Second is it more likely that you can see more bad beats at one site than another? The answer is probably yes. If a site has more players that will chase long shot draws than they will hit them more. I think it is unfair to say that a hand will win 8 out of 10 times. It is more accurate to say it will win 800 out of 1000 times, because your not going to play only 10 times. Remember that still leaves 200 times your going to lose.
Aslo keep in mind that if your a better player than your opponent you have an advantage over them. Similiar to a casino's advantage over a blackjack player. If a blackjack player plays the wrong blacjack stragety and gets lucky and wins, does the casino get mad at him and tell him to leave. No they do the opposite, give him free rooms to get him to stay, because they know his luck will run out and they will take his money. Remember that when your at the table and someone sucks out on you and you want to hit him. Instead you want him to feel comfortable at the table so he stays and you can bust him.

arsenal46 · Straight Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posts: 118

zipster987 · Four of a Kind Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 278

Nice analogy with blackjack

I dont know how many 'this site is rigged' posts ive seen in the last 2 weeks, but man, things must be OUT OF CONTROL at the tables. I havent played much in the last few weeks, but before that i havent noticed anything 'fishy' on here. Apparently over the last 3 weeks Full Tilt decided it was gonna try to screw all the good players (except for MAROMB, Jaconda, Urban, Grip, and a few other house players) and reward all the idiots.

gibbygib · Four of a Kind Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

Ok guys, let me explain just why you think poker is rigged.

1: you only remember the bad beats, never the times your hand actually held up. Its like golf - you make a masterful shot, then make a bad one, WHICH ONE DO YOU REMEMBER? The bad one, my friends. You don't bother to remember the good one. Same thing in poker.

2: There are more loose players online. This is a fact. They will draw out no matter what the price, if you're playing small stakes, and even up into 3/6 and above that. If you're a good player, you will demolish these players in the long run, and maybe lose some here and there in short runs of bad luck.

3: Here's my old speech. Step-by-step of why new players think poker to be rigged.
1: People see the WSOP/WPT on tv and think poker is cool.
2: They learn all the rules and sign up at a poker site they've heard about, be it FullTilt or not.
3: They take it to the tables expecting to obliterate the competition every single sitting.
4: They lose and heres the biggest point i can make - they need to BLAME THE LOSING ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN THEMSELVES: BAD PLAYERS CANNOT ADMIT THEY JUST PLAIN SUCK!!!

Very Happy

good game

liquidgrip · Pair Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 45

try tracking your hands.

I have over 10,800 hands tracked through poker tracker which is not much to some people.

When I look at my play, Pocket AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10, 99, 88, and 44 have all been profitable to me, the other pockets I have lost money. I have made over $750 with Pocket AA playing limit $1/$2 over 10,000 hands.

Track that many hands and you'll have a better Idea what hands you win with and what hands you loose with.

On a side note, I have made $100 over time with AK off suit, and am down about $70 with AK suited. I think I am playing AK suited to aggresive or something or just have not played enough hands over time to break even and go ahead against all the phish.

From my analysis of my own play I dont believe the site to be rigged. But there sure alot of fish in the sea.

ev1lg3n1us · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:

bad beats and draw outs are part of small stakes hold em. You can't avoid them, just live with it and move on to the next hand. You have to look at poker in the long run, instead of a couple of short sessions that you struggle in. If you make positive decsions and maximize your equity with every decision you make you will win in the long run. Just try to play each hand to maximize your wins and minimize your losses. Remember, poker is gambling so sometimes people will get lucky against you when they are a big underdog. Just roll with the punches and try to play each hand with the same emotion and expectation no matter if you are a big winner or stuck in the game in your session.

billytwoguns · Pair Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 24

griffinlord · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Crooks and Bad Beats

jimmyvengeance · Royal Flush Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 506

"All my ranting would be impossible to prove...i know.."

BS. Track your hands. If you're getting screwed, you'll be able to prove it. Period.

PS: I bet the only thing you figure out is that you're losing more often than you should be, statistically speaking.

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