Online Poker Forum at Full Tilt Poker

vbprogrammer · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:13 am Post subject:

First off I don't think Full Tilt is a rigged site. But I have that opinion because I've played at several different sites and I just see more "realistic" cards being dealt here than at other sites. But what do you think happened when the pros agreed to endorse this site? Do you think the pros did a thorough investigation of the programming code that is being used to randomly deal and select cards. No they didn't. I'll give you a quick synopsis of how it went down,

FULL TILT - "Hey Poker Pro, we'll pay you $150K, plaster your name everywhere and give you lots of exposure if you'll be in our commercial and wear our jersey."

POKER PRO - "ok sounds good to me"

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

Wow, way to insinuate the pros are morons. They're not, or they wouldn't succeed as pros. As for being rigged, show me stats. Show me that you see AA and KK dealt in the same hand significantly more than it should be, over a course of tens of thousands of hands. Don't just say, "the cards at site A seem more realistic than those at site B," show me stats that prove your point.

griffinlord · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: Re:

Salt-N-Pekker · High Card Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7

There is a big difference between a bad beat and a rigged site. Bad beats are part of poker. Rigged sites are operated and endorsed by greedy people including professionals.

vbprogrammer · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject:

I never said that pros are morons, but what I'm saying is that the spokesperson for a company doesn't know anymore about the inner workings of the company that they endorse than you or I do. It's no different than Britney Spears endorsing Pepsi. She's just the face. She didn't hold any independent taste tests and all of a sudden decided to endorse Pepsi. Pepsi threw 5 million at her, and after that she lives, sleeps, eats, and sh**s pepsi. Come on guys, AM I THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS SITE WITH COMMON SENSE? Get real people.

vbprogrammer · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:

griffinlord, come on now, again - Do you think Chris Ferguson sat down and went over the code with Full Tilt and then decided to endorse them. Its about the money people-always has been and always will be. Full Tilt nor any other site will never open up their source code to anyone, pro or not. It amazes me how gullible people can be. I mean to say that Chris Ferguson truly knows and understands Full Tilt's software is like saying Britney Spears knows the secret formula for Pepsi because she endorse them. See how stupid that sounds. You guys crack me up. I am really enjoying this. Keep it coming.

vbprogrammer · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject:

also where is your stats proving that the site is not rigged. The burden of proof is needed on both sides of the fence.

gibbygib · Four of a Kind Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

Innocent until proven guilty.

rob14136 · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Crooks and Bad Beats

Despite Gloria just about summing this up pretty well, I think this can be broken down into pieces for a better understanding for the poster, the original person who made the comment about FTP's site and a bad hand he had.

KK vs 10,6 off suited. KK is an 85% FAVORITE. The underlying word here is FAVORITE. Not a guarentee. If KK beat 10,6 off suited EVERYTIME these two hands were heads up, regardless of the flop, turn and river, then this number would be bigger, yes? Maybe even 100%? KK will win 1000 out of 1000 hands against 10, 6, doesnt matter what happens, this is, against 10,6 the stone cold nuts, no drawing out, no sucking out, no site rigging can have any bearing on what happens in the hand or in the chat box, KK rules all. Get a grip kid. You just happened to be on the end where 10,6 with a 15% chance of winning, hit the cards it needed to make that 15% statistic possible.

What did you do wrong? We're you all in preflop? Did you even have a stack if you were? Did you just make the minimum raise and the BB called you because it was just another bet to call you? Was this a 5 + .50 Sit and Go. Were you playing on the .5 / .10 NL table? What you need to understand here is that this person knew they were behind in the hand. You raised the bet, remember? This person WANTED TO SEE A FLOP!! If you know many people who claim to play cards, many of them, just want to see a flop with anything, whether it be Q,9 of diamonds or 2, 4 off, just to see if they will make two pair or a set of 4s. This guy saw a flop and saw what he liked and continued into the hand. You are the dog now. You are drawing into his hand that is better than yours, hoping to pair the board with a card that is not in his hand or hit one of your kings, leaving you very few outs to win this hand. Has it ever occurred to you that KK is a hand that CAN be ...... hold on, quiet down people, this needs to be heard... MUCKED.... there, I said it, you heard it... if you know you are behind?

rob14136 · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:17 am Post subject: continued

*continued*

You said you tried 4 different sites to play cards at. I play here and only here. I'm guessing you played at other sites and found that you're luck wasnt any better there than on the one you played on before and left because you lost, looking for the site that would feed you all the right cards and have all the dumb players who called you with the same pair and a dominated kicker and never ever paired their hole card. A place were you're AA was always a winner, no matter what. A place where the pros would be so scared to play you, because you would take all their money and have the largest bankroll in the history of poker after Doyle Brunson of course, because he's so great, he can win two WSOP tourneys with 10,2. 10,2!!!!! That's even worse than 10,6!!! He's no professional, he's really just a fish that got lucky for the last 40 years of his life....

*end sarcasm*

Know what happened when I came here? My mind was clear when I started playing and I quickly won my first handful of games, pretty easily. I got real cocky and moved up limits real fast, extending myself too far, too fast. I get JJ in the hole with all my bankroll on the table. Pshh.. I'll go all in against this guys raise. I got him. What's he got? A,K suited. Alright, reason to be alarmed, but I got a pair right? IM HUGE. Wrong. I'm practically 50/50 to win, or else we like to call it, a coin flip. Don't know about you're take on that situation, but if I was to sit with a friend and say for everytime heads came up he bought a pizza and everytime a tails came up I'd buy a tank of gas for him... the results would be pretty even when it was all said and done. He may at some point in time have 55 tanks of gas and I might only have 38 pizzas, but IN THE LONG RUN, it will even out to the original odds of getting heads or tails, 50/50. Sure as hell that Ace came out and I was like dammit, bad luck, I was ahead so much.

Gloria is right. You dont even know how to play poker, or you would be laughing about a hand like this and hoping that you get the same starting situation as soon as possible against this very same guy so you can eat him alive. The site isn't rigged, you're game just isn't that sharp or else you wouldnt complain about this crap, you'd laugh about it in a card room as banter between other players, as you look at your hole cards over towers of cheques. I know this is you... after all, you don't even see beats like this in your casinos you play in and you always win because you are solid. So solid, that one bad hand has you posting about FTP's integrity.

Maverick550 · High Card Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 20

Ok. To all you strong-minded individuals. First of all I am currently under review of my hand histories in order to provide some type of proof to my claim. Second the kk vs 10-6 was just one example out of many...you guys think I would post this after one bad beat...seriously.
I am not sure who wrote that if the pros endorsed the site it couldn't be rigged? Why not? Have these CARD Players been esclated to God like status...No...they can be dishonest as well...NICE TO THINK THE WORLD IS SUNSHINE, LOLIPOPS and RAINBOWS.

KEEP IT UP, the world is a fair and honest place espically where their are no gaming laws govering on-line poker.

gibbygib · Four of a Kind Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

rob just absolutely destroyed you.

Salt-N-Pekker · High Card Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7

I really don't know which person has his head up his ass more, Gibbygib or Jaconda78.

gibbygib · Four of a Kind Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

Little kid, you need to get a life and stop trolling.

Maverick550 · High Card Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 20

This is of course for Mr.Rob...the intellect from New York. Loved your pizza and gas tank analogy. Did you come up with it all on your own or did you dim it down to a second graders level so gibbygib could understand. I understand the whole concept of a 50/50 coin flip....It's irelevant to my initial post and has nothing to do with upsets winning. Obviously if its 50-50 their is equal likelyhood that hand A or hand B will win--NICE JOB.

Furthermore, I tried this site on a friends recommendation...I was not losing on the other site...it is also a well know site with so-called PRO's (since all you guys place such high value on pros endorsing a site) and I didn't experience these statistical improbabilities.

As for examples, once I review the hand histories I will post more statistically improbable hands and maybe even a few what i like to call "Pre-planned action hands" i.e. poc AA's vs. poc Q's, both hit there trip on the flop. Now guys don't run with this it is ONLY ONE EXAMPLE not the basis for my whole arguement.

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