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drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1923

i agree that you can't fold very often, but i dont think that you have to automatically call all of the time if you can narrow down the hands and all beat you, then you can fold. granted though, here you all are probably right and you can call. i just see it nearly impossible for him to raise with a hand worse than your hand, but if it is definately possible in small stakes for ppl to do these horrible plays.

Chex_05 · Straight Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 113

drtre, you're an idiot.

ridic x · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:15 am Post subject:

1. Cap the flop (AK is always worth a raise and re-raise and it would make your lead at the flop look like you have a hand)

2. 3-bet the turn (you hit one of your outs and him raising you rules out the flush draw)

3. lead the river (the 5 doesn't scare either one of you which means he should call a bet, lead the river if you get raised you make the crying call, I'd say you have the best hand 80% of the time here at 1-2)

Also the "saving bets" rubbish you are trying to explain doesn't apply to hands like this. It's more of say you have the nut str8 and the board pairs and you get raised, normally you'd cap, but the paired board allows you to potentially save a few bets b/c of the fear of a boat.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1923

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:

bigwheell · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:

deadmoney314 · Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject:

I think Chex was just pointing out some bad advice from which dtre back-peddled from after my comment. He is brash, but accurate--it comes from 4-tabling 5/10 6max, it gives you a sharp edge. Take a good look at what you might become those of you aspiring to earn your income solely from poker.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1923

yes, i indeed see how my comment about how you can fold can be very wrong and this situation actually it is very wrong. i dont know, but i think i was going on a rant or something. however, i think my main advice of value betting was overshadowed by my bad part of my comment. do you agree w/ my value betting part or not? because more often than not, he isnt on a draw and will call you off w/ middle pairs or top pair w/ a worse kicker. and all of the times you lose to a made draw, you will make up your money by the times he has a pair and will call you off in the large pot.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject:

I see what you are getting at dtre but my point before is going passive on the turn should mean you want to induce a river bet from the aggressor if he has a worse hand or showdown cheaply if you are beat. Never fold this hand though. And making spectacular folds is not something you want to get good at especially with TPTK.

This is why I like 3 betting the turn because if he just calls you fire river full stride picking up a full two bets as safely as possible. You also c/c river if he caps turn fearing two-pair at the least and praying that its not a set and that you counterfeit him (for which you have many outs). When you just call turn going passive it is much riskier to wake up on the river with either the donk or the check-raise (unimproved anyway which will be over 90% of the time).

Edit: To be clearer, I don't think you should be putting yourself in the situation of the OP unless you have a multitude of evidence, like this player is always scared of you and you've played thousands of hands and you have good data showing he only bets monsters into your aggression etc. Now if it was a misclick on the turn, about the only way I don't 3 bet this turn, then sure I don't disagree with donking river. Same principle as making a draw on the river that your opponent is likely to check to: you bet because you believe you have the best hand and that your opp now wants a free showdown but will call because of the size of the pot.

Chex_05 · Straight Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 113

You're right, I am a d*ck, I wasn't being sarcastic. I realize I don't post here enough to get any credibility, thank god. When I do browse however, I get sick of seeing bad advice being spewed more often than I spew bets on tilt. It gets really sickening. On the bright side, it looks as if there is still many fish to gut. That makes me smile. Laughing

bigwheell · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:19 am Post subject:

Instead of showing us your poker knowledge by saying "your an idiot" take a couple of minutes and tell him why his advice was idiotic...

People post here to learn not be made fun of...

deadmoney314 · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:

Unfortunately you don't always get good players to take the time to analyze and step you through why certain advice is wrong--and for those really paying attention, Chex making a quick yet brutal synopsis by calling him an idiot. This is just a reflection of how quickly you must assess situations in FLHE, make a judment, act on it and dismiss it and go onto the next table. For those of you doubters, Chex is quite a few levels above me when it comes to poker. It wasn't always that way but he is now the sharpest decision maker I've known online. I'm certain he would love to see any of us come play at his limit on his site, but none of you have the bankroll for it (99% of you anyway).

There you go Chex, credibility that you didn't want or need. Smile

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