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prolifik0119 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:

Nothing against you, I just think my last post summed it up. If you read Rafe's tip or listen to his podcast, I think the answer to you're question would be answered.

junkbutton · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject:

IRON LEE · High Card Joined: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Canada

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject:

dmoore1998 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

01baz · Message Board Junkie Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1904

take moneymaker for example, hes supposedly a "pro" but he makes his money doing commercials and promotions etc, he probably makes more money doing that then he does playin poker

junkbutton · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject:

deadmoney314 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject:

I think Gypsy said something about all of this depending on your definition of pro, and that definition is beginning to blur with the advent of online gaming and I'm not talking about poker. Yes there are traditional definitions of professional that would depict Moneymaker as a "pro". But are now finding the use of this word in WoW users and activities that don't involve making a living or cash at the activity necessarily. Albeit it is an incorrect use of the term, someone will still have a different meaning when they say "that Korean is pro at starcraft" instead of "he makes his living playing starcraft". If you don't think the term is blurring into another definition fine, then there are some people who would fall into your pro classification that I would not be afraid of, Jaime Gold and Moneymaker would fall in that category. If a newer definition of the word is used, then I don't want to see any of the people I consider "pros" at my table other than to get an autograph.

dcoles11 · Straight Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 111

I think there are so many players that are all about the same or very close to the same as far as abillity that it just comes down to who gets better cards or who gets in the right situations.

I'm of the mind that if you put Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson, Allen Cunningham, John J., ect ect.. at the same table that the winner is basically going to be the player that gets the right cards in the right situations.

Thats why I really don't believe anyone is really the best player in the world. Someone may have the most accomplishments but I don't think that makes he or she the best in the world. I think many players are all in the same class.

As far as do pros get too much credit. No I don't think so. I think books and the internet have created alot of very good players that never would have existed before thats for sure.

And these players can definately compete pros but there are some other factors.

I think bankroll is a huge factor, if you are playing scared or playing with money you really can't afford to lose you aren't going to play as well.

To put what im saying in a real world situation this is what I mean.

If you take a very good $5 - $10 NL Hold'em player and his $10,000 bankroll and put him in a $200 - $400 NL game vs some pro players that have the bankroll to absorb bad beats at this level, that $5 - $10 player isn't going to do very well.

Not because he is out classed, but just because he really can't play his game at that level when you consider his bankroll.

Now if you put that same very good $5 - $10 player with a $10K bankroll at a .25 - .50 cent NL table with the same pros I bet he would be able to hold his own.

Just remember, even the top pros had to start somewhere and i'm sure atleast some of them started at fairly low levels.

So don't assume that just because someone is playing .10 - .25 NL or $1 - $2 that they aren't any good.

01baz · Message Board Junkie Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1904

junkbutton · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject:

01baz · Message Board Junkie Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1904

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