Online Poker Forum - this is probably obvious but..

HuJwang · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: this is probably obvious but..

you cap on the river here right? i had two of the 4's so it should have been obvious to cap it but the check raise on 4th kinda confused me.

also is the 3rd street call too loose? there were a few of my outs missing but once i hit the 6 on fourth, i am in much better shape. also this table had been "foldy" so i figured i may be able to pull off some bluffing.

Full Tilt Poker Game #1239285847: Table El Capitan - $0.25/$0.50 Ante $0.05 - Limit Razz - 3:18:53 ET - 2006/11/13
Seat 1: Tiera Starr ($3.45)
Seat 2: gitana333 ($8.85)
Seat 3: robbie digital ($1.90)
Seat 4: HuJwang ($15.75)
Seat 5: Rooney457 ($19.70)
Seat 6: outwithbrad ($11.20)
Seat 7: orum ($4.50)
Seat 8: SaschaB ($8.20)
HuJwang antes $0.05
robbie digital antes $0.05
orum antes $0.05
SaschaB antes $0.05
gitana333 antes $0.05
Rooney457 antes $0.05
outwithbrad antes $0.05
Tiera Starr antes $0.05
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Tiera Starr [Ad]
Dealt to gitana333 [6d]
Dealt to robbie digital [Th]
Dealt to HuJwang [4c 2h] [4d]
Dealt to Rooney457 [Jh]
Dealt to outwithbrad [6c]
Dealt to orum [Kd]
Dealt to SaschaB [2c]
orum is high with [Kd]
orum brings in for $0.10
SaschaB calls $0.10
Tiera Starr completes it to $0.25
gitana333 folds
robbie digital folds
HuJwang calls $0.25
Rooney457 folds
outwithbrad folds
orum folds
SaschaB calls $0.15
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Tiera Starr [Ad] [8c]
Dealt to HuJwang [4c 2h 4d] [6h]
Dealt to SaschaB [2c] [5s]
SaschaB checks
Tiera Starr checks
HuJwang bets $0.25
SaschaB raises to $0.50
Tiera Starr calls $0.50
HuJwang calls $0.25
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Tiera Starr [Ad 8c] [7s]
Dealt to HuJwang [4c 2h 4d 6h] [Ah]
Dealt to SaschaB [2c 5s] [3h]
SaschaB bets $0.50
Tiera Starr folds
HuJwang calls $0.50
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to HuJwang [4c 2h 4d 6h Ah] [3d]
Dealt to SaschaB [2c 5s 3h] [As]
SaschaB bets $0.50
HuJwang raises to $1
SaschaB calls $0.50
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to HuJwang [4c 2h 4d 6h Ah 3d] [Tc]
Tiera Starr adds $3
SaschaB bets $0.50
HuJwang raises to $1
SaschaB raises to $1.50
gitana333 is sitting out
HuJwang calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SaschaB shows [Td 7c 2c 5s 3h As 6s] (6,5,3,2,A)
HuJwang shows [Tc 4c 4d 6h Ah 3d 2h] (6,4,3,2,A)
HuJwang wins the pot ($8.35) with 6,4,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.75 | Rake $0.40
Seat 1: Tiera Starr folded on 5th St.
Seat 2: gitana333 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: robbie digital folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: HuJwang showed [Tc 4c 4d 6h Ah 3d 2h] and won ($8.35) with 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 5: Rooney457 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: outwithbrad folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: orum folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: SaschaB showed [Td 7c 2c 5s 3h As 6s] and lost with 6,5,3,2,A

lesdoodis · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:01 am Post subject:

I'm still fairly new to razz, but if I have two cards under 6 I am completing and definitely calling the completion. If I have 3 under 8 I will do the same and I am really getting the hang of playing what they see and what I see rather than just what I have so having a 4 hidden doesn't really matter. From there on there is nothing wrong, you have second nutz and its doubtful they have the wheel. I think you played it very well, you weren't too crazy when before you hit the 3 while they were showing 235 and bet hard when your hand was made. Don't think it could have gone much better. But then again, I am still pretty new.

jbrennen · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 422

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2361

i don't know if its me, but i don't particularly like him playing a pair against two limpers and a completion bet. at the .25/.50 limit, the two limpers in all likelyhood will call and you'll be looking at a 4 way pot, with one of your hole cards useless to help your hand. if you could have limped in there with that hand, that would have been fine IMO, but i don't like calling a completion bet with a dead card in your hand. its essentially the same as starting with K24, which by most standards is a terrible starting hand, facing a completion and 3 cards to help your low (A,6,6) already out on the board.

as for the hand itself, i'm with Jbren in that i don't think i would have raised that hand on 7th. sure you've got two 4's but on a board of 532A, i'm looking to get into the show-down without the nuts and hopefully drag the pot.

Steamed Rice · Message Board Junkie Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1433

im not too crazy about playing the hand on 3rd, you probably should have dumped it then, but im glad it worked out for you

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject:

Yeah I'm with those who said dump on third. I've never played a razz cash game, only tourneys, but my general rule is I need the first three cards to be 7 or lower. If you pretend the second 4 is a King (it's effectively useless) then do you still want to play the hand? It's not a terrible play, but I think super tight is the way to play razz against a lot of players who just don't know how to play the game.

I would also have flat called on 7th street, his board looks very scary. He either has a 4 or a 6 in his hand, and given the way he has bet, I would expect a 4. Also, I would initially have put him as having an ace down, but as he bets out on 6th when an ace hit, I'm less inclined to put him one one. That further increases the likelyhood of having a 4 as a downcard IMO.

You have the 2nd nuts, but there is a real possibility that he has you beat, so get to the end as cheaply as possible!

Just my 2c

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